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47 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

I am almost certain GB was in the SNP

I know i try and stay away from conspiracy theories but by him denying he was in the SNP dilutes the hoo ha about the ludicrous anti semitic allegations (Believe he is part Jewish too) and also the supposed suspension 

He may have actively done this to not give the Yoons ammunition

He has done a lot of work for the Independence cause as you can see from his blog

It was certainly reported at the time that he'd been suspended.  If he wasn't a member - and he says he wasn't - then it sounds like a case of left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing at the SNP, probably a press officer saying he'd been suspended without actually checking when asked by reporters  

Anyway, this is the "offending" article, people can make their own minds up about it.  Personally I don't think it's anti-Semitic but I can see why some people took offence, or to be more accurate some people were able to say that they were offended.

A good rule of thumb is not to introduce Hitler into the discussion Hitler when you're talking about someone who is Jewish unless it's 100% relevant and in this context I couldn't see how it was.   When I read the article originally my thought was "WTF has hitler got to do with this?" 

https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2018/10/28/gmb-a-cockney-clique/

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9 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Does Farage have a new party then?

Well kinda..

Its really Aaron Banks and a few other bottom dwellers.

NIge is there to sell it to those of a slightly right of Attila the Hun views..

Nige has to do this as his walking holiday business didn't take off  

 

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30 minutes ago, Mark frae Crieff said:

Well kinda..

Its really Aaron Banks and a few other bottom dwellers.

NIge is there to sell it to those of a slightly right of Attila the Hun views..

Nige has to do this as his walking holiday business didn't take off  

 

Good way to split the UKIP vote. 

Farage the phoney, who’d have thought it 

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31 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Good way to split the UKIP vote. 

Farage the phoney, who’d have thought it 

I'd seen UK election intention polls with UKIP & Brexit Party pretty level on single figures, so would have agreed.

However, a couple of EU polls are showing Brexit Party way in front (biggest share of any UK party in fact).   OK, this election is a farce, but I was wondering whether their lead was because Farage has got them noticed or if it's just their name :rolleyes:

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51 minutes ago, Grim Jim said:

I'd seen UK election intention polls with UKIP & Brexit Party pretty level on single figures, so would have agreed.

However, a couple of EU polls are showing Brexit Party way in front (biggest share of any UK party in fact).   OK, this election is a farce, but I was wondering whether their lead was because Farage has got them noticed or if it's just their name :rolleyes:

I reckon UKIP will be basically finished after the upcoming elections.   They've gone to the complete loop-the-loop right and are probably sitting somewhere around where the BNP were a few years ago.   I suspect most of the old UKIP vote will go to Brexit party purely because of Farage, I think he's something of a rallying point for that segment of the electorate.   It'll be very interesting to see how they do in the Euro elections.

There's also council elections in England coming up in two weeks.  In England they stagger the council elections so they don't have countrywide council elections at the same time.

At the last lot of council elections in 2018 UKIP lost 123 of 126 councillors, this year they are defending 176 seats and could see a similar wipe-out.  I think that the Brexit party - and ChangeUK - are too late to have any candidates on the ballot.   In terms of demographics, the councils up for re-election are largely Tory held - 5521 seats to Labour's 2278.   For Corbyn, to stand any chance at a future GE, he has to make a serious dent in that.    Look out for Windsor & Maidenhead, which will be of particular significance as it is Theresa May's council.   At the last council election 56 of 59 councillors were Tories.   The number of councillors has been reduced to 41 and there's a lot of local issues that could see the Tories lose overall control.

There's also local elections across NI, so again that will be interesting to see if their Brexit stance harms the DUP but then again, NI Politics has its own dynamic.

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Think i saw that arse Count Dankula is standing for UKIP - presumably alongside Billy you wouldnt get fed up punching Mitchell

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One to ponder...

EU elections take place and Brexit party have a good result south of the border.

Brexit doesn't happen. 

Does the Brexit mob sit in their seats and do their level best and ensure that any laws etc are good for country or will they do what Dodgy Nige has done and not bother but take their wages? 

Remembering that NIge is on the fisheries steering group in the EU Parliament. 

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32 minutes ago, aaid said:

How would you categorise this then?

 

Not sure. It’s controversial and probably not correct. 

Depends how you define far right I suppose.

Label stuff you don’t like as far right to scare off voters probably can only work for so long though.

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6 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Not sure. How do you define what is far right?

There are a number of different beliefs, views or opinions that could be characterised as far right however a common and important theme is a belief that certain groups of people are superior to others and by implication other groups are inferior.  In a lot of cases that manifests itself in respect of race or religion but it's not limited to those.

How would you define far right?

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29 minutes ago, aaid said:

There are a number of different beliefs, views or opinions that could be characterised as far right however a common and important theme is a belief that certain groups of people are superior to others and by implication other groups are inferior.  In a lot of cases that manifests itself in respect of race or religion but it's not limited to those.

How would you define far right?

Probably not what we’re told is far right, Anarchy / libertarianism, as much individual freedom as possible. 

Guys like Richard Spencer and the alt right are collectivists, which the more I read is a left wing ideology, fascism has more in common with communism and socialism than maybe what we’ve been told. 

I’ve watched some of Benjamin’s stuff, I know he’s against mass immigration / anti SJW stuff but as far as I’ve seen he’s not advocating for an ethno state. 

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25 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Probably not what we’re told is far right, Anarchy / libertarianism, as much individual freedom as possible. 

Guys like Richard Spencer and the alt right are collectivists, which the more I read is a left wing ideology, fascism has more in common with communism and socialism than maybe what we’ve been told. 

I’ve watched some of Benjamin’s stuff, I know he’s against mass immigration / anti SJW stuff but as far as I’ve seen he’s not advocating for an ethno state. 

Fascism and Communism are two radically different political philosophies.   The totalitarian fascist and communist states - particularly in the 20th century probably didn't look much different to each other if you were living in them though.

 

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20 minutes ago, aaid said:

Fascism and Communism are two radically different political philosophies.   The totalitarian fascist and communist states - particularly in the 20th century probably didn't look much different to each other if you were living in them though.

 

Let’s hope we never have to find out.

Although if we check the communist manifesto, there’s an argument that some of the criteria has been met already. 

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9 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

White Supremacy

I’m sure there are genuine white supremacists out there but not in mainstream politics, although labelling everything as white supremacy and calling folk racists and fascists instead of debating their claims isn’t going to solve anything. 

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