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11 minutes ago, AlfieMoon said:

Not especially.  

He's not a patch on Angus Robertson who preceded him. 

Indeed, a lot of the SNP MP's aren't of a particularly high calibre in my opinion.

The huge increase in seats on the back of Indyref shifting Scottish politics meant that a lot of SNP were thrust into Westminster probably a lot quicker than we were ready for. Some real good quality there like Joanna Cherry, Philippa Whiteford and a few others, then you have stars for the future like Mhairi Black, but there's many others that are found wanting and that disappoints me to say.

A common criticism of their Labour predecessors was along the lines of 'monkey in a red rosette'. I think the same charge could be levelled at some of the SNP. 

Unfortunately, the loss of Angus Robertson, Alex Salmond, John Nicolson, Michelle Thomson, and the fact that Stewart Hosie has had to take a back seat - all means that the SNP at Westminster are simply not at the same level as we could do with them being.

Salmond is up there with George cunting Galloway when it comes to oratory debating skills.

Salmond was one of the few in the HoC who could regularly needle PM Tony Blair at the height of its powers... when that wank could silence most of the opposition by that trademark 'forgive them for they know not what they do' pious cunt shite.... But Salmond had the cunts number and would ring it regularly.

Who is even getting close to rattling anyone anywhere by anyone in the SNP?  The is the weakest SNP I have ever seen yet bizarrely the 'strongest'. The SNP are soft bags of shite who could not give a pillow a fight.

 

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7 hours ago, thplinth said:

 

 

 

I have never met anyone who actively does not want poor peoples' lots to be improved. Sure there are some people who deserve to be poor as a result of their own actions just as there are people who deserve to be rich by their own actions. But take that out of the question and all sides of the political spectrum would say the same thing. They just disagree on how best to achieve it.

And of course the definition of poverty has been constantly raised as well. I wonder what the poor of a hundred years ago would think of the lives of the poor today and I dare say the 'poor' of hundred years in the future. It has become a purely relative term it seems.

I also get the direct impression socialism is now anti rich much more than pro poor. What you seem to want is equality of outcome for us all rather than equality of opportunity for us all.

I hope Corbyn and Bernie do get elected, people have forgotten... or rather the younger generations have never experienced it. 

I do agree with some of this, the majority of people will say they feel the poor should be helped. Problem is words are cheap. 

I am not sure what socialism is these days, or indeed what I would  label myself. I dont expect equality of outcome ,  I am not anti rich , I believe people who work hard deserve to reap the rewards.  But I do have a problem with the obscene sums that is spent on shite when people are homeless or struggling to make ends meet.  There are lots of people who work really hard and get nowhere, there is no guarantee that hard work pays off.  We then get back to ‘ its not a fair world’ blah blah.

I may be looking through rose tinted spectacles but I think people were happier in the days when extreme wealth was restricted to the few and everyone else felt more in it together. Some of the kindest people I know are those who have the least. 

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28 minutes ago, AlfieMoon said:

Not especially.  

He's not a patch on Angus Robertson who preceded him. 

Indeed, a lot of the SNP MP's aren't of a particularly high calibre in my opinion.

The huge increase in seats on the back of Indyref shifting Scottish politics meant that a lot of SNP were thrust into Westminster probably a lot quicker than we were ready for. Some real good quality there like Joanna Cherry, Philippa Whiteford and a few others, then you have stars for the future like Mhairi Black, but there's many others that are found wanting and that disappoints me to say.

A common criticism of their Labour predecessors was along the lines of 'monkey in a red rosette'. I think the same charge could be levelled at some of the SNP. 

Unfortunately, the loss of Angus Robertson, Alex Salmond, John Nicolson, Michelle Thomson, and the fact that Stewart Hosie has had to take a back seat - all means that the SNP at Westminster are simply not at the same level as we could do with them being.

I sadly agree. I think Ian Blackford can come across a bit like Mr Bumble and sounds a little arrogant ,  though I am pretty certain he is a decent guy and well thought of by those who know him . And to be fair Angus Robertson has had a lot more experience in the role. Alex Salmond could get away with being arrogant as he was smarter than most of his adversaries.

All that said, I know how hard my local MP works and at the end of the day you should be judged on your results, not just your oratory skills. 

 

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1 hour ago, AlfieMoon said:

Not especially.  

He's not a patch on Angus Robertson who preceded him. 

Indeed, a lot of the SNP MP's aren't of a particularly high calibre in my opinion.

The huge increase in seats on the back of Indyref shifting Scottish politics meant that a lot of SNP were thrust into Westminster probably a lot quicker than we were ready for. Some real good quality there like Joanna Cherry, Philippa Whiteford and a few others, then you have stars for the future like Mhairi Black, but there's many others that are found wanting and that disappoints me to say.

A common criticism of their Labour predecessors was along the lines of 'monkey in a red rosette'. I think the same charge could be levelled at some of the SNP. 

Unfortunately, the loss of Angus Robertson, Alex Salmond, John Nicolson, Michelle Thomson, and the fact that Stewart Hosie has had to take a back seat - all means that the SNP at Westminster are simply not at the same level as we could do with them being.

My opinion is he’s extremely good. Each to their own.

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1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said:

Billy Mitchell on his London Brexit jaunt

I believe STV gave them headline news

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Not only was billy boy and Tommy Robinson at the London brexit demonstration today, another attendee was right winger Aaron Brown of fishing for leave.

He’s allegedly a member of storm front a white supremacy anti Semitic group. 

Nice old jolly gathering today by the looks of it. 

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4 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

I think you should apologise for linking that. *shudders*

I think you’re phukin right. 

Sorry 🙁😃

7 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

I love Scotland, but that made my toes curl. 

It does a bit doesn’t it. 

Lucky I didn’t watch all of it. 😂

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1 hour ago, thplinth said:

Salmond is up there with George cunting Galloway when it comes to oratory debating skills.

Salmond was one of the few in the HoC who could regularly needle PM Tony Blair at the height of its powers... when that wank could silence most of the opposition by that trademark 'forgive them for they know not what they do' pious cunt shite.... But Salmond had the cunts number and would ring it regularly.

Who is even getting close to rattling anyone anywhere by anyone in the SNP?  The is the weakest SNP I have ever seen yet bizarrely the 'strongest'. The SNP are soft bags of shite who could not give a pillow a fight.

 

I cant disagree with that at all, at the last GE the tories were real clever to which constituency they concentrated their efforts to dislodge Whiteford, Robertson, salmond, Angus MP( i forget his name) and a few others who were very astute politicians, to me we lost a backbone, its luck they never go wishart as well, if it were up to me i would throw black, mcneil, wishart at the fore of Westminster, at holrood sturgeon should come out of the limelight and the likes of katie forbes, swinney and fergus ewing take a step forward. Sturgeon is doing my bloody heed in with her stance on brexit, who is advising her, whoever it is needs sacked.  

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10 hours ago, thplinth said:

 

 

 

I have never met anyone who actively does not want poor peoples' lots to be improved.

You obviously come across nicer people than me. There are loads who don't care and plenty who only care about their own situation and don't give a toss about anyone else 

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30 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

🙄 what did you watch, the picture of the beach ? 🙂

I actually stopped it just after the opening sequence then went on to read the tweets. 

No, I’m now not going to watch the full clip. 😂

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3 hours ago, AlfieMoon said:

Not especially.  

He's not a patch on Angus Robertson who preceded him. 

Indeed, a lot of the SNP MP's aren't of a particularly high calibre in my opinion.

The huge increase in seats on the back of Indyref shifting Scottish politics meant that a lot of SNP were thrust into Westminster probably a lot quicker than we were ready for. Some real good quality there like Joanna Cherry, Philippa Whiteford and a few others, then you have stars for the future like Mhairi Black, but there's many others that are found wanting and that disappoints me to say.

A common criticism of their Labour predecessors was along the lines of 'monkey in a red rosette'. I think the same charge could be levelled at some of the SNP. 

Unfortunately, the loss of Angus Robertson, Alex Salmond, John Nicolson, Michelle Thomson, and the fact that Stewart Hosie has had to take a back seat - all means that the SNP at Westminster are simply not at the same level as we could do with them being.

What Mp's are you not impressed with and why ?

There's tons more to the job than trying to look slick on a thirty second TV spot or getting in an insult to May at PM questions.

The SNP have some excellent MP's like Kirsty Blackman, Stuart C McDonald, Stephen Gethins, Drew Hendry, Carol Monaghan & Patrick Grady. A lot of their work in parliament isn't the kind that you'll ever see or hear about on the six o'clock news.

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All I will say for now is, people moaned about the EU asking the question again and again until they got the right answer, but seems Theresa may has asked three times and three times REJECTED and still she threatens to ask for her deal to be approved. I ask Brexit supporters in all honesty isn't this what you hate about the EU?  It seems we just can't get rid of her or her rancid 'deal'! 

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Seems to me Parliament is not fit for purpose if May's 'deal' should prevail after such heavy rejection. May's only saving grace is that she is less spineless than Boris and Mogg. IMHO. 

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21 minutes ago, exile said:

All I will say for now is, people moaned about the EU asking the question again and again until they got the right answer, but seems Theresa may has asked three times and three times REJECTED and still she threatens to ask for her deal to be approved. I ask Brexit supporters in all honesty isn't this what you hate about the EU?  It seems we just can't get rid of her or her rancid 'deal'! 

It’s non binding referendum, may as well just be honest and say nobody wants it. 

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I actually sat and watched bbc parliament yesterday for a good long time. My punishment for being off work with man flu......how she is still there is beyond me. You could feel right from the start of the day that no cunt respects her and plenty were just snidely taking the piss out of her.  And then there is her own party colleagues.Some brass neck to take this all and continue in her role. 

I was so confident of the mood I went to look at the odds of a no vote yesterday.....wasn’t worth a penny unless you were laying thousands on it. 

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15 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Billy Mitchell on his London Brexit jaunt

I believe STV gave them headline news

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I wonder who laid on the scran and did they want to be associated with the casual sectarianism expressed in that post?

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