Ally Bongo Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Theresa May is making a statement from Downing Street at 10pm Dont expect it to be anything other than the same old waffle but you never know Fighting to keep the whole UK in the EU/SM/CU is a strategy which will look good when it all falls apart ....unless of course the whole UK stays in the EU/SM/CU However the latter still looks impossible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 So it's gone from being "May way or the highway" to being a cross party consensus. Perhaps Theresa could've considered such an option earlier than 2 months before Brexit. Hard to imagine after yesterday's annihilation but Corbyn's probably had a worse day than the PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Toepoke said: So it's gone from being "May way or the highway" to being a cross party consensus. Perhaps Theresa could've considered such an option earlier than 2 months before Brexit. Hard to imagine after yesterday's annihilation but Corbyn's probably had a worse day than the PM. This is just rhetoric and playing to the gallery Corbyn wont even meet her till she takes No deal off the table The SNP and the Lib Dems did meet her to tell her no deal should be off the table, there should be a second referendum and article 50 should be halted Half of the Tories want to delay article 50 for a year and have a "managed" no deal And Theresa May says we are leaving the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just throwing this out there, no idea how likely this is but madder things have happened. With Corbyn seemingly refusing to even engage with the UKG, it looks unlikely that they can make any progress towards getting a deal. I wonder whether they - the UKG - might say the only way to break the impasse is to take it back to the people with another referendum *but* put the blame on Corbyn for that. We know Corbyn doesn't want another referendum anyway and this could turn the Brexiteers on him for "ignoring the will of the people". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, aaid said: Just throwing this out there, no idea how likely this is but madder things have happened. With Corbyn seemingly refusing to even engage with the UKG, it looks unlikely that they can make any progress towards getting a deal. I wonder whether they - the UKG - might say the only way to break the impasse is to take it back to the people with another referendum *but* put the blame on Corbyn for that. We know Corbyn doesn't want another referendum anyway and this could turn the Brexiteers on him for "ignoring the will of the people". Had considered this , If its going to be a fuckup them blame someone else, Corbyn being the prime target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 and a half years to get to this? The government has no intention of delivering Brexit and probably never had. Leaving the EU shouldn’t be this complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 58 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: 2 and a half years to get to this? The government has no intention of delivering Brexit and probably never had. Leaving the EU shouldn’t be this complicated. Shouldn't be, unless you want all the benefits of membership without any of the conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, aaid said: Shouldn't be, unless you want all the benefits of membership without any of the conditions. Knowing that the EU will likely never accept that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said: Knowing that the EU will likely never accept that Also doesn't help if you've signed a legally binding international treaty 20 years ago that effectively rules out a clean break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Treesa now refusing to extend Article 50 (even if offered by Brussels) Shes a fekking nutter, I suspect she will be brought down by her own side who will prefer a new leader (and prob confident of winning). And if they lose then Jezza can take the blame for the inevitable fukk up. What an utter shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, mariokempes56 said: Treesa now refusing to extend Article 50 (even if offered by Brussels) Shes a fekking nutter, I suspect she will be brought down by her own side who will prefer a new leader (and prob confident of winning). And if they lose then Jezza can take the blame for the inevitable fukk up. What an utter shambles. They cant get rid of her for a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: They cant get rid of her for a year Not thru the normal channels agreed. As they keep saying on TV - these are extraordinary times. I can envisage the "right" assisting to defeat their own Gov when Jezx brings his next no-confidence motion. Edited January 17, 2019 by mariokempes56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, mariokempes56 said: Not thru the normal channels agreed. As they keep saying on TV - these are extraordinary times. I can envisage the "right" assisting to defeat their own Gov when Jezx brings his next no-confidence motion. EDIT: Libdems now saying they will not support another no-confidence vote unless Labour support another referendum. Cool - this could finish Treesa and Corbyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, mariokempes56 said: EDIT: Libdems now saying they will not support another no-confidence vote unless Labour support another referendum. Cool - this could finish Treesa and Corbyn. Time for SNP to say they won't support another no-confidence vote unless Labour support another kind of referendum? 😉 But then... surely the SNP should be extracting concessions specific to Scotland? If not an actual 2nd referendum, then any sort of special status for Scotland, or anything at all that is distinctive to Scotland, or allowing different solutions in the different nations - that the EU may also agree? - that could pave the way for a looser UK? Or it could be wholly domestic in nature - what if they demanded that agriculture and fisheries were fully and wholly devolved to Holyrood? Assuming that the only parliamentary majority for a deal would be some sort of soft Brexit deal, the ultra Brexity tories and DUP would be voting the other way anyway, so even if the concessions 'weakened the union' the other (pro new deal) parties may accept it if it delivered a deal avoiding crashing out. The deal is on a knife edge if it is going to go through; now is the time to make demands. 'Treesa' has already 'used' the SNP in last night's no. 10 propaganda - using the fact of dialogue with SNP (as with the Lib Dems and Paid) to make Corbyn look bad. But no point in propping up May without Scotland-specific concessions. Edited January 17, 2019 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) https://youtu.be/Ej3NMFH2N3o The SNP should be staying well clear of all this, shouting for another referendum could very well haunt them Edited January 17, 2019 by ParisInAKilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said: https://youtu.be/Ej3NMFH2N3o The SNP should be staying well clear of all this, shouting for another referendum could very well haunt them It will only haunt them if the UK stays in the EU It is a strategy IMO A second referendum would divide England even further while Scotland will most likely come together more Scottish sub sample YouGov poll (14th Jan) (changes v 2017 GE) SNP: 47% (+10%) Con: 24% (-5%) Lab: 14% (-14%) LD: 8% (+1%) Green: 5% (+5%) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: It will only haunt them if the UK stays in the EU It is a strategy IMO A second referendum would divide England even further while Scotland will most likely come together more Probably a win-win for the SNP in that case. I don't think Nicola Sturgeon will be too disappointed if Brexit is stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilser Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I honestly didn’t understand why Corbyn called the no confidence motion without any Tories telling him they would support it - just seems like empty posturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, neilser said: I honestly didn’t understand why Corbyn called the no confidence motion without any Tories telling him they would support it - just seems like empty posturing. That's exactly what it was. Jezza hasn't got a clue what he wants or what he's doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 hours ago, RenfrewBlue said: That's exactly what it was. Jezza hasn't got a clue what he wants or what he's doing. He knows he doesn't want to win an election. Not right now anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, exile said: Time for SNP to say they won't support another no-confidence vote unless Labour support another kind of referendum? 😉 If there is any negotiation of this sort going on, the absolute minimum that the SNP should go for, is not a Section 30 for another referendum, but the powers to hold referendums transferred to Holyrood. So that the SG can hold a referendum, on any subject at any time they choose to do it. Edited January 18, 2019 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Orraloon said: If there is any negotiation of this sort going on, the absolute minimum that the SNP should go for, is not a Section 30 for another referendum, but the powers to hold referendums transferred to Holyrood. So that the SG can hold a referendum, on any subject at any time they choose to do it. You think they'll need another one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Grim Jim Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Not falling for that one. Too human Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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