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38 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

What would competence look like for these people? 

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17350237.jeremy-corbyn-says-a-labour-government-will-carry-out-brexit/?ref=twtrec

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9 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Seems reasonable.

This second referendum idea is complete nonsense 

Until you start delving into "Labour getting a better deal but still leaving the EU"

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2 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said:

I’ve heard worse things from a politician

He's completely unelectable though. 

What we are witnessing is the death of the two main political parties because of their desire for power (signposts and weathercocks)

It has been happening slowly over time but sooner or later the straw will break the camel's back

By trying to appeal to both leavers and remainers in their desperation for votes we have the situation we are in now

Neither has the balls to offer the real and only alternatives which is leave without a deal or remain

Any "deal" is not anywhere as good as being in the EU which makes May's position a farce

Unless any of the two of them faces up to reality sharpish and becomes honest then the UK is going to collapse quite quickly

A second referendum regardless of the outcome is going to be disastrous

Nobody knows what leaving the EU with no deal is going to be like but it is most likely to be us that will suffer a long time 

Independence for Scotland wont be damaged if there is a second referendum and remain wins slightly or leave wins again because of the fall out from either result

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27 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

What we are witnessing is the death of the two main political parties because of their desire for power (signposts and weathercocks)

It has been happening slowly over time but sooner or later the straw will break the camel's back

By trying to appeal to both leavers and remainers in their desperation for votes we have the situation we are in now

Neither has the balls to offer the real and only alternatives which is leave without a deal or remain

Any "deal" is not anywhere as good as being in the EU which makes May's position a farce

Unless any of the two of them faces up to reality sharpish and becomes honest then the UK is going to collapse quite quickly

A second referendum regardless of the outcome is going to be disastrous

Nobody knows what leaving the EU with no deal is going to be like but it is most likely to be us that will suffer a long time 

Independence for Scotland wont be damaged if there is a second referendum and remain wins slightly or leave wins again because of the fall out from either result

The UK will collapse?

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5 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

The UK will collapse?

The UK as we know it

There will be a rise of all sorts of shite in England with a second referendum and if remain wins there will be repercussions on the streets 

If leave wins again the extreme right will be even more emboldened and we will leave the EU and all it's agencies with a high possibility of economic chaos leading again to repercussions on the streets

Both the main establishment parties will implode leading to the rise of something else IMO

 

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4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

 

There will be a rise of all sorts of shite in England with a second referendum and if remain wins there will be repercussions on the streets 

 

 

 

From The Telegraph......

 

"If MPs stop Brexit, Middle England could stage its biggest revolt in modern history"

 

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On 1/6/2019 at 1:48 PM, DaveyDenoon said:

The EU has clearly and categorically stated it does not want and has no intention of pushing further political integration.

The line people continue to trot out about the EU becoming some sort of United States of Europe or Superstate are a complete and utter falsehood.

It is made up of (soon to be) 27 independent nations and will remain so, bar the numbers.

a complete and utter falsehood... yeah.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8162668/france-germany-merge-borders-eu-megastate/

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Fine ignore it then, I don't give a fuck to be honest outside of being called a liar.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/france-and-germany-join-forces-as-a-single-superpower-fjf3bgv60

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France and Germany are to forge shared defence, foreign and economic policies in an unprecedented “twinning” pact regarded as a prototype for the future of the European Union.

Angela Merkel and President Macron will sign a treaty this month to open the way for the neighbours to present a united diplomatic front and act jointly in peacekeeping missions.

Regions on either side of the Franco-German border will be encouraged to form “Eurodistricts” with merged water, electricity and public transport networks. Berlin and Paris will offer cash to incentivise these cross-border areas, which could involve shared hospitals, joint business schemes or environmental projects. Some officials regard these experiments as a petri dish for the integration of the EU.

Both countries will lobby for Germany to receive… and the rest disappears behind their pay wall.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, thplinth said:

Fine ignore it then, I don't give a fuck to be honest outside of being called a liar.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/france-and-germany-join-forces-as-a-single-superpower-fjf3bgv60

 

I’m not ignoring it and I’m certainly not calling you a liar, I’d just rather hear it from a non biased scaremongering rag.

I believe that a lot of the ignorance we see from leave voters stems from fear mongering whipped up by these newspapers.

The times is in the etc. part 😂

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6 hours ago, Dave78 said:

 

 

From The Telegraph......

 

"If MPs stop Brexit, Middle England could stage its biggest revolt in modern history"

 

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8 minutes ago, kumnio said:

Listening to Colin Wankers opinion on Brexit is enlightening, he just comes across as a mental pensioner. 

To hell with the rest of the world is such a depressing and insular thing to say, he's a prick.

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On 1/13/2019 at 3:10 PM, kumnio said:

Listening to Colin Wankers opinion on Brexit is enlightening, he just comes across as a mental pensioner. 

Another mental pensioner on C4. News tonight. They were doing a vox pop round Stoke town centre during the day and got some absolute beauts as it was a sunny day and a lot of people were out. The best was an elderly couple who were getting confused and mumbling some stuff about coming out of the deal and getting rid of MPs. The old guy was waving his arms around in that way that only oldsters do and as the interviewer draws away he shouts  that he doesn’t like the French and never has done. ‘What, all of them?’ 🤣🤯

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On the radio 4 this morning they talked as if the EU would be stopping the UK existing the Brexit deal, as if the big bad bullying EU was holding Britain to ransom.

But the backstop is premised on the Good Friday Agreement as an international treaty which the UK itself signed, with Republic of Ireland, as free and consenting equal partners, partly for the UK to look after her own citizens in Northern Ireland.  If the UK broke its own agreement it would be the UK reneging and dishonouring a treaty for its own people. 

We've argued here about whether the BBC is biased pro or anti EU (I think there are elements of both) but I think much of the problem is its ignorance of history, both the workings of Europe and Northern Ireland and the way they frame the debate. 

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They say there'd be a parliamentary majority for a Norway style arrangement with single market. That would fulfil leaving the EU (clue: Norway is not in the EU!).

That is what was on the ballot: leaving the EU, no more, no less.

The Norway option was one of the options argued as part of the case for Leave and can't now be disowned by the leave side as a betrayal of Brexit.

May presents a false choice between her deal and no deal or no brexit. She is at the heart of the problem IMHO. 

If the Govt wants a deal it should get on with building a cross party consensus for the good of the country, for something like a Norway style deal. That would at least respect the referendum result (IMHO) and avoid crashing out all our international commitments.

If Theresa May won't do it she should step aside and let someone else. 

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9 hours ago, neilser said:

Another mental pensioner on C4. News tonight. They were doing a vox pop round Stoke town centre during the day and got some absolute beauts as it was a sunny day and a lot of people were out. The best was an elderly couple who were getting confused and mumbling some stuff about coming out of the deal and getting rid of MPs. The old guy was waving his arms around in that way that only oldsters do and as the interviewer draws away he shouts  that he doesn’t like the French and never has done. ‘What, all of them?’ 🤣🤯

Saw that - fekking loony.

 

The thing is many on the media like to argue that "leavers" knew what they were voting for...nah sorry not having that.

 

Every single vox pop / interview shows leavers as either posh rich boys and/or think bastards and borderline racists.

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8 minutes ago, mariokempes56 said:

Saw that - fekking loony.

 

The thing is many on the media like to argue that "leavers" knew what they were voting for...nah sorry not having that.

 

Every single vox pop / interview shows leavers as either posh rich boys and/or think bastards and borderline racists.

The thing is if you look at the several bullet point promises the Leave Campaign had as their pledges they were never really going to be achievable. They were just empty promises that were always destined to be unfulfilled. Here were those empty promises:-

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.html

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