Ally Bongo Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Michael RussellVerified account @Feorlean Sunday Times reporting Mundell & Davidson threatening to resign if NI treated differently for #Brexit fearing that Scotland would demand same. In other words they actually want their UK party to impose massive job losses & economic damage on the country they are elected to serve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 26 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Michael RussellVerified account @Feorlean Sunday Times reporting Mundell & Davidson threatening to resign if NI treated differently for #Brexit fearing that Scotland would demand same. In other words they actually want their UK party to impose massive job losses & economic damage on the country they are elected to serve The tweet under that annoys me, stealing a Sagan quote without attribution making a point also stolen from him. The other news is anyone surprised. Davidson especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Hearing that theres a deal to be confirmed tommorow, it has been leaked through the eu side 15 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Meeting was supposed to be end of next week followed by a final one in November Interesting rumour but unlikely particulary with the Ulster bigot bumping her gums only a few hours ago https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/13/leaked-emails-dup-arlene-foster-no-deal-brexit-most-likely-outcome-eu?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Am now also hearing of a Canada/Korea style deal tonight not to be made public EU summit Wednesday then HOC vote on deal Blackford meeting Barnier on 25th October DUP not happy and vote against Hammond's budget resulting in GE ? Edited October 14, 2018 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I really should just start believing everything HL says from now on Sky News BreakingVerified account @SkyNewsBreak Reuters: Diplomatic Sources say the EU Ambassadors of the remaining 27 member states have been summoned to a Brexit meeting in Brussels at 5.30pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 No breakthrough The DUP along with Scottish bigots Davidson and Mundell have scuppered it Talks between Raab and Barnier fail to lead to Brexit breakthrough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 46 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: No breakthrough The DUP along with Scottish bigots Davidson and Mundell have scuppered it Talks between Raab and Barnier fail to lead to Brexit breakthrough It seems to be getting down to the nitty gritty, the EU obviously know waht they want however the torys are all over the place, I honestly cant see anything other than a hard brexit and the tory party splitting, we should all be at the ready for a snap GE. Banff and buchan, moray gourdon and aberdeen south will return yellow however you lads in the central belt need to batton down the hatches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padre Andrew Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 8 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Am now also hearing of a Canada/Korea style deal tonight not to be made public EU summit Wednesday then HOC vote on deal Blackford meeting Barnier on 25th October DUP not happy and vote against Hammond's budget resulting in GE ? With the Tories apparently ready to split, can anyone explain the failure of Labour to be well ahead in the polls? Genuine question. Sticking with the Tories goes well beyond masochism, but many are doing just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Padre Andrew said: With the Tories apparently ready to split, can anyone explain the failure of Labour to be well ahead in the polls? Genuine question. Sticking with the Tories goes well beyond masochism, but many are doing just that. Pollsters what do they know been slightly inaccurate the last few years in all reality labour should be 20 points ahead but I guess the the public don’t like your man Corbyn that much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: No breakthrough The DUP along with Scottish bigots Davidson and Mundell have scuppered it Talks between Raab and Barnier fail to lead to Brexit breakthrough Is this the start of Ruthy's leadership bid. Is she really daft enough to try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: Is this the start of Ruthy's leadership bid. Is she really daft enough to try? Not a chance What Davidson and Mundell have done though is put the interests of Northern Ireland over that of Scotland The SNP should really make hay with this It's basically them saying "We'll resign if you even give the people of Scotland even an inkling that they could possibly have a better future than a Hard Tory Brexit" Edited October 14, 2018 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Indyref2 @IndyrefTWO Davidson and Mundell need to be taken to task over this 'resign' threat. Why not seek *the same* differentiated deal for Scotland as that of NI instead of demanding no part of the UK be allowed to partially save itself from Brexit? They are *demanding* we and NI suffer. Patriots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Theresa making a speech in HOC today Stewart McDonald MPVerified account @StewartMcDonald Large numbers of Tory MPs heading into the government Chief Whip offfice just now. I Wonder what that could be about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I see Farage is on the offensive again, saying he's no longer mr nice guy (!), and caling for Brexit voters to ' “stand up and fight again” as he announced plans to “reactivate the people’s army." ' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Will the BBC tell us this ? Popcorn for Newsnight EU leaders decide to shelve plans for Brexit summit in November until ‘decisive progress’ is made https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-summit-latest-eu-leaders-november-deal-vote-theresa-may-a8589326.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckielugger Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 11:34 PM, Ally Bongo said: Not a chance What Davidson and Mundell have done though is put the interests of Northern Ireland over that of Scotland The SNP should really make hay with this It's basically them saying "We'll resign if you even give the people of Scotland even an inkling that they could possibly have a better future than a Hard Tory Brexit" If all the hearsay on this is correct (And Mundell DIDN'T deny it except to say they were threatening resignations yet...), then very clearly the Scottish Tories have taken the DUP position fully as any differential deal that can leave NI in the single market/customs union could then be demanded very legitimately for Scotland as well. Mundell & Davidson have decided to act to block any such route for Scotland. Is it a no-deal now actually advantageous to achieving independence? Or does it make it harder? I don't actually know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 6 hours ago, buckielugger said: Is it a no-deal now actually advantageous to achieving independence? Or does it make it harder? I don't actually know Nobody does know. If Brexit is a success for the UK it will probably be a hammer blow to the independence cause, but the converse will be true if things get much worse for us after a hard Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Will the BBC tell us this ? Popcorn for Newsnight EU leaders decide to shelve plans for Brexit summit in November until ‘decisive progress’ is made https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-summit-latest-eu-leaders-november-deal-vote-theresa-may-a8589326.html No Quelle Surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Well France already giving us a glimpse of post-Brexit even if trade deals go well for the UK afterwards. France making it clear that to visit France UK citizens will need visas - that will not go down well. An inconvenience that will grate with many and no doubt that will be the case across Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Well France already giving us a glimpse of post-Brexit even if trade deals go well for the UK afterwards. France making it clear that to visit France UK citizens will need visas - that will not go down well. An inconvenience that will grate with many and no doubt that will be the case across Europe. Stop being so negative. We will get Duty Free back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheres the pies Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Next summer could be fun but can work both ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, wheres the pies said: Next summer could be fun but can work both ways Not sure that much will have changed by next summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Re the Irish border... No one wants a hard border... The EU suggested keeping Northern Ireland in the Customs Union + Single Market (drawing a line down the Irish Sea), but the Tory's and the DUP have rejected that idea... Have the Tory's and the DUP actually suggested a 3rd way? Have I missed it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Rich NATA said: Re the Irish border... No one wants a hard border... The EU suggested keeping Northern Ireland in the Customs Union + Single Market (drawing a line down the Irish Sea), but the Tory's and the DUP have rejected that idea... Have the Tory's and the DUP actually suggested a 3rd way? Have I missed it? No you've not missed it - Moggy and his loonies propose an as yet undesigned/unspecified technical solution...The DUP couldn't give a toss and Treesa just goes "la-la-la-la" so it will go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rich NATA said: Re the Irish border... No one wants a hard border... The EU suggested keeping Northern Ireland in the Customs Union + Single Market (drawing a line down the Irish Sea), but the Tory's and the DUP have rejected that idea... Have the Tory's and the DUP actually suggested a 3rd way? Have I missed it? As I see it, you could have 1. all UKGBNI in SM+CU; 2. or just NI; 3. the third way is a no SM/CU, no deal, hard border hard Brexit. The first will shaft the Rees Moggs, the 2nd will shaft the DUP and Scottish ultra unionists, and the 3rd will shaft everyone else. Our dear leader has still to tell us who she is going to shaft. I would guess the first, or else collapse the government in which case who would Corbyn do? Many of his core supporters are Leavers. Could he be tempted to do 2? A federal union by accident? Edited October 18, 2018 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 As I suspected. The Tory's and DUP rule things out, but suggest no alternative. When I hadn't seen their own idea/suggestion, I thought I'd missed it it... I should have known better. Maybe it's time for Northern Ireland to pick a side (?) United Kingdom (out of the EU) or a United Ireland (in the EU). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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