aaid Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I see Trump's been at the leaking again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 hours ago, aaid said: I see Trump's been at the leaking again. I thought it was one guy, not Abedi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 11 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Most terrorism experts believe it wont just be a lone wolf mainly because of the type of bomb used Lone wolf to detonate it - but assistants to make such a device Is it too early and too cynical to say it's came at the right time for Theresa ? Early maybe cynical no, certainly seems to fall in time again. Had the same thought myself this morning. The Tories will use this to win votes without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Where will this end? This is going to be a struggle the rest of our lives,, so messed up, i started a thread on here a good few years ago regarding immigration and future troubles which may follow if unchecked, i was slaughtered for it and maybe justifiably as it may have came across pretty right of centre,, but my concerns were real and i can see how people could get swept away in a wave of fear and retaliate,,, i see so much right wing drivel from Britain first ect floating about that, personally i think its only a matter of time before a retaliation incident occurs, after that it will be hard to stop the ball rolling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 One of the girls from Barra has been found alive but badly injured in an intensive care ward in one of the Manchester hospitals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 7 hours ago, Ormond said: Exactly what I said this morning. As horrible as last night was in Manchester, the thousands of children who have died at the hands of Western bullying goes totally unnoticed. It goes unnoticed because it is in a land two time zones away. Attacks like last night you regularly see in busy areas in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. But not on your own doorstep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, King Of Paisley said: It goes unnoticed because it is in a land two time zones away. Attacks like last night you regularly see in busy areas in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. But not on your own doorstep. It goes unnoticed because they are not white and Christian. I remember the pray for Sydney stuff to counter your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Where will this end? This is going to be a struggle the rest of our lives,,....... I think people would have said the same about the troubles, ETA, etc. Society got there (sorta) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, flumax said: I think people would have said the same about the troubles, ETA, etc. Society got there (sorta) Theres a difference though, this is an ideology the ones above were territorial issues, but i hope you're right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 50 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Where will this end? This is going to be a struggle the rest of our lives,, so messed up, i started a thread on here a good few years ago regarding immigration and future troubles which may follow if unchecked, i was slaughtered for it and maybe justifiably as it may have came across pretty right of centre,, but my concerns were real and i can see how people could get swept away in a wave of fear and retaliate,,, i see so much right wing drivel from Britain first ect floating about that, personally i think its only a matter of time before a retaliation incident occurs, after that it will be hard to stop the ball rolling It's got fvck all to do with immigration. The guy was born and brought up in Manchester. A starting point might be trying to understand why young men - because they are generally young men - get either radicalised, indoctrinated or are just plain deluded into thinking that killing themselves and taking as many people with them as possible is a positive life choice. To me there's very little difference between these guys and right wing nuts jobs in the US who shoot up a school or a shopping mall. All that's different is the "excuse" of the ideology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, aaid said: It's got fvck all to do with immigration. The guy was born and brought up in Manchester. A starting point might be trying to understand why young men - because they are generally young men - get either radicalised, indoctrinated or are just plain deluded into thinking that killing themselves and taking as many people with them as possible is a positive life choice. To me there's very little difference between these guys and right wing nuts jobs in the US who shoot up a school or a shopping mall. All that's different is the "excuse" of the ideology. Quite right. 8% UK is foreign born. 13% UK born are none white ethnicity, not everyone is a threat just a few marginalised nut jobs. Could say all Scots are threats based on the action of the likes of Thomas Hamilton, Peter tobin, Ian Brady, Bible John who are simply marginalised pathetic individual who wanted to take it out on others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, aaid said: It's got fvck all to do with immigration. The guy was born and brought up in Manchester. A starting point might be trying to understand why young men - because they are generally young men - get either radicalised, indoctrinated or are just plain deluded into thinking that killing themselves and taking as many people with them as possible is a positive life choice. To me there's very little difference between these guys and right wing nuts jobs in the US who shoot up a school or a shopping mall. All that's different is the "excuse" of the ideology. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) hampden_loon in talking right-wing, insular, rubbish yet again shocker ! Annoys me when people seem to think that immigration is something new to the UK. Where some of my folks lived in 1911 - Portugal St, Gorbals - there were according to the census Irish, Poles, Germans, Russians and Italians living in the same building as them. You'd also find plenty of sailors from the Indian subcontinent in the boarding houses of Greenock and Port Glasgow. Finlay J. MacDonald's memoirs recall with affection the small troop of Asian travelling salesmen of the 1930s Western isles who were well liked by the native islanders. Edited May 23, 2017 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: hampden_loon in talking right-wing, insular, rubbish yet again shocker ! Annoys me when people seem to think that immigration is something new to the UK. Where some of my folks lived in 1911 - Portugal St, Gorbals - there were according to the census Irish, Poles, Germans, Russians and Italians living in the same building as them. You'd also find plenty of sailors from the Indian subcontinent in the boarding houses of Greenock and Port Glasgow. Finlay J. MacDonald's memoirs recall with affection the small troop of Asian travelling salesmen of the 1930s Western isles who were well liked by the native islanders. Hardly talking right wing rubbish, i know my history so you dont need to patronise me with your little history lesson, take what i said and turn it whatever way you like,,please yer sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 Operation Temperer activated - Army supporting Police - and security level changed from severe to critical Dont want to be pernickety but should that no have happened 48 hours or so ago ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 26 minutes ago, aaid said: It's got fvck all to do with immigration. The guy was born and brought up in Manchester. A starting point might be trying to understand why young men - because they are generally young men - get either radicalised, indoctrinated or are just plain deluded into thinking that killing themselves and taking as many people with them as possible is a positive life choice. To me there's very little difference between these guys and right wing nuts jobs in the US who shoot up a school or a shopping mall. All that's different is the "excuse" of the ideology. Wow. Thanks for the insights. Up there with the serial killer comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Hardly talking right wing rubbish, i know my history so you dont need to patronise me with your little history lesson, take what i said and turn it whatever way you like,,please yer sell Alright then I will turn it the way I like. Perhaps you could leave your small town world and prejudices and go out and meet a few "New Scots" ? They don't bite and they love Scotland too. People who aren't from Scotland originally but came and settled here are not sitting there plotting to murder us in our beds and take over the place you know. Edited May 23, 2017 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Ormond said: I thought it was one guy, not Abedi. And you accuse me of lacking class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, scoobydoo said: And you accuse me of lacking class. Away ye go ya fann,y. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Such a sad day after the terrible events last night. Many lives lost, many families shattered. I would expect to see security ramped up a notch for the England game, as this would be a huge opportunity for some nut job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: And you accuse me of lacking class. 9 minutes ago, Ormond said: Away ye go ya fann,y. Not only am I a fan of the vast majority of your posts Ormond, but I am also usually an advocate of finding humour in adversity. However, on this occasion Scooby is bang on. Poor form. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just now, Marky said: Not only am I a fan of the vast majority of your posts Ormond, but I am also usually an advocate of finding humour in adversity. However, on this occasion Scooby is bang on. Poor form. Just my opinion. It was mere wordplay on how a Dundonian would pronounce the word everybody. Jings, the last thing I'd set out to do would be to tarnish the horror of what happened last night to bairns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ormond said: It was mere wordplay on how a Dundonian would pronounce the word everybody. Jings, the last thing I'd set out to do would be to tarnish the horror of what happened last night to bairns. Not for one minute suggesting there was any malice in it. Just badly timed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Ormond said: It was mere wordplay on how a Dundonian would pronounce the word everybody. Jings, the last thing I'd set out to do would be to tarnish the horror of what happened last night to bairns. I just got it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Ormond said: It was mere wordplay on how a Dundonian would pronounce the word everybody. Jings, the last thing I'd set out to do would be to tarnish the horror of what happened last night to bairns. Feck all wrong with what you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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