Manchester Arena Explosion

[ParisInAKilt]

Exactly 

"the hate us and our values"

As said by some Tory this week. 

[ParisInAKilt]

ISIS reported to be active in the Philippines now. Duterte has pissed off the wrong people in Washington.

[Ally Bongo]

3 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Exactly 

"the hate us and our values"

As said by some Tory this week. 

Islamic Terrorist suicide bomber detonates himself at a concert where the performer is a young girl that dresses provocatively and many of her fans are young gay men 

 

[ParisInAKilt]

2 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Islamic Terrorist suicide bomber detonates himself at a concert where the performer is a young girl that dresses provocatively and many of her fans are young gay men 

 

Sorry but a Tory talking about values is absurd when his party directly and indirectly funds terrorism.  Until we address this, then these type of attacks won't be a surprise. 

[Ally Bongo]

7 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Sorry but a Tory talking about values is absurd when his party directly and indirectly funds terrorism.  Until we address this, then these type of attacks won't be a surprise. 

100% agreed - but just because a Tory hypocrite says it doesnt mean it isnt true

It's not THE reason they do it - just one of the many excuses they use

[ParisInAKilt]

4 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

100% agreed - but just because a Tory hypocrite says it doesnt mean it isnt true

It's not THE reason they do it - just one of the many excuses they use

What evidence is there that it's true? 

[Ally Bongo]

http://www.christopherjgreen.com/excuses-deny-reality-of-islam/

There’s one thing you can be absolutely sure of every time Islamic jihad rears its ugly head: The liberal-left headed by self-serving politicians and the duplicitous media will resort to extraordinary lengths to ensure no blame is laid at the doorstep of Islam.

The following five lame excuses are by far the most common and as you’re about to see, not one of them holds even a grain of truth.

Let’s begin with the tried and trusted “nothing to do with Islam” anaesthetising canard. Apologists insist Islam is a religion of peace and Muslim jihadists who slaughter people in its name pervert and distort the true meaning of the faith.

One of the most ridiculous examples of this lame excuse concerns the way the mainstream media will report on IS – Islamic State. This terror organization is raping and murdering its way around Iraq and Syria. Its leaders are encouraging Muslims living in the West to attack unbelievers. The jihadists who carried out the attacks in Orlando, Nice, Munich and St. Etienne pledged allegiance to IS.

Yet politicians and the media will deploy terms such as “Daesh” – allegedly an insult in Arabic – and the ridiculous “so-called Islamic State”. The aim is to fool the gullible masses into a false sense of security about Islam.

In fact IS has everything to do with Islam. Far from being extremists who pervert and distort true Islam, the mujahideen who wage jihad fisabilillah – jihad in the path of Allah – are orthodox Muslims. They’re obeying their sacred texts and copying the “perfect example” of their prophet Muhammad, a man who killed, raped, tortured and enslaved unbelievers.

Muhammad was not a moderate, peaceful Muslim. He spread Islam by the sword as these stories from Islamic texts prove. Furthermore, jihad is obligatory on all Muslims and it isn’t just about terror.

Those who claim Islam is peaceful conveniently forget Islamic law, the sharia, which is absolutely fundamental to Islam. Its brutal laws are based on how Muhammad practised Islam and include savage punishments such as death for adulterers, apostates and homosexuals, female genital mutilation and the amputation of limbs for convicted thieves.

The holiest place in Islam is Saudi Arabia where the sharia is applied in the same way IS apply it. If IS – and other Islamic jihadist organizations such as Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram – have nothing to do with Islam then neither do the Saudis. And neither of course, does the most revered prophet of Islam, the terrorist Muhammad.

How absurd does that sound for crying out loud?

Once the media have asserted that terror has nothing to do with Islam, they will then trot out explanations for terror attacks.  A favorite is to claim jihadists like Mohammed Bouhlel and Ali Sonboli were actually suffering from mental illness. Because obviously, when people suffer from mental illness, they decide to slaughter people whilst praising their Deity, everyone knows that.

Wait a minute. Something isn’t right here. Because the only people who are slaughtering people in this way happen to be Muslims. Mentally ill Christians, Hindus, Jews, Sikhs and Buddhists don’t do this. Truth is, the vast majority of people who are suffering from mental turmoil usually hurt themselves, not others.

Liberals and leftists who deploy this lame excuse know it doesn’t hold water so they’ll try to give it credibility by linking it to their favourite thought-control weapon…

You see the reason why these murdering Muslims suffered from mental health problems is because they’re the victims of racist bullying.  They felt isolated and excluded from society and trapped in a lonely world of hurt, they lashed out in frustration and anger. Because once again, that’s what victims of racism and bullying do. Resort to mass murder of innocent people whilst praising their Deity. Don’t they?

Curiously, you don’t see followers of any other faith who have been victims of bullying or racism slaughter innocent people.  Not only are these claims demonstrably false, they’re also an insult to mental health sufferers and victims of racism and bullying. It’s also a quite devious ploy to point the finger of blame for these heinous attacks at the indigenous white Europeans.

Here’s another juicy bone for you to chew: Are the rulers of Saudi Arabia and Iran mentally ill? Are the mujahideen of Al Qaeda, IS, Taliban, Hamas and so on depressed victims of racist bullying? Come on please, you’d have to have one can short of a six pack to make such assertions!

Perhaps – and here’s another beloved excuse of the liberal left – it’s because they’re ensconced in poverty? They’re so destitute they decided to buy guns and bomb-making material to shoot and blow up innocents, most of whom are just normal people and not rich by any stretch of the imagination.

Call me Islamophobic if you must but when I look at the royal family of Saudi Arabia, the last word I associate with them is poverty. It’s a bit of a challenge to imagine them as depressed victims of racist bullying too. Remember, we’re talking about Muslims who rule the holiest land in Islam, who are major sponsors of Islamic terror and who implement the sharia including beheading women and flogging critics. Just as Islamic State does.

Finally, the last common excuse rolled out to excuse Islamic jihad is to blame Western foreign policy.  The bombing of Iraq will be cited as a major factor that angered Muslims, causing them to hit back by attacking infidels in the West. If the innocent Muslims of Iraq must die, then so too must innocent infidels in the West. And let’s not forget the West is involved in fighting IS in Syria, causing more innocent Muslims to be killed.

Do you detect a stinky whiff of contradiction? IS, who are nothing to do with Islam remember, are massacring Muslims and Christians in Syria. The West is trying to stop them yet its governments are being blamed for arousing anger in….Muslims in the West. It doesn’t add up, does it?

Let’s ask: Are Muslims the only ones who can be outraged by Western foreign policy?

Serbia, a nation betrayed by the West and bombed by NATO for Muslims, doesn’t seem to breed angry, mentally ill, poor orthodox Christians seeking revenge by targeting Westerners. Israel, a nation repeatedly demonized by Western nations who support the sham Palestinian cause and indeed fund it, is the one Jewish state. Jews were the victims of the holocaust perpetrated by Hitler’s Nazis yet no Jew has slaughtered Germans in suicide attacks or mass shootings. Nor have they committed such horrors against Western people in revenge for their governments’ support of the Palestinians.

Furthermore, what about the foreign policy of Saudi Arabia and other Middle East nations funding jihad and persecuting Christians? Where are the outraged Christian suicide bombers? What about the jihad waged against Hindus since the 7^th century that has killed 80 million Hindus – odd how you don’t hear of Hindus self-detonating in a crowd of Muslims isn’t it?

As you can see, not one of these ridiculous, lame excuses should be given a shred of credibility. There is one reason, and only one reason, Muslim jihadists commit heinous atrocities that kill innocent people: Islam. They are obeying the commands of Allah laid out in the Quran and they’re dutifully copying the perfect example of the ideal man, the perfect example for all time, the revered prophet of Islam, Muhammad.

The time to end the pretense about Islam being a religion of peace must end. Unless it does, more and more innocent people will be killed by mujahideen waging jihad against the hated infidels as they have done since Muhammad started it in 622.

It’s Islam, stupid.

[ParisInAKilt]

"Israel, a nation repeatedly demonized by Western nations who support the sham Palestinian cause and indeed fund it, is the one Jewish state. Jews were the victims of the holocaust perpetrated by Hitler’s Nazis yet no Jew has slaughtered Germans in suicide attacks or mass shootings. Nor have they committed such horrors against Western people in revenge for their governments’ support of the Palestinians."

haha wow. 

[Parklife]

1 hour ago, ParisInAKilt said:

"Israel, a nation repeatedly demonized by Western nations who support the sham Palestinian cause and indeed fund it, is the one Jewish state. Jews were the victims of the holocaust perpetrated by Hitler’s Nazis yet no Jew has slaughtered Germans in suicide attacks or mass shootings. Nor have they committed such horrors against Western people in revenge for their governments’ support of the Palestinians."

haha wow. 

Absolute belter of a paragraph  

[phart]

Ally is reading from the Neo-con/ zionist playbook.

Which considering he listens to Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens isn't surprising.

THere's the Lavon Affair(Operation Susannah and actual proper false flag operation) where the only deaths were those of the bombers. Egyptian Jews recruited to pretend to be Arabs and bomb shit in Egypt. Hoping to keep British troops committed to Suez, you know the really bad mistake Eden made.

I guess we don't know the Irgun or Lehi who fought against the british in WWII, the enemy of my enemy? Assassinated Walter Guinness etc

Also Palmach and their special forces the Haganah.

As Tony benn said there is no moral difference between a suicide bomber bombing a market and a F16 dropping a bomb on the market, the difference is one of commitment to the cause.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2017 by phart

[phart]

The west is involved in fighting ISIS, no they are not, this again has been detailed hereon the TAMB by me, guess no one is reading just singing their own song, and evidenced, not just opinion pieces from randoms. Using cables, foreign policy letters, journalists actually on the ground in Syria.

 

[phart]

7 hours ago, Parklife said:

Absolute belter of a paragraph  

The author retweets Tommy Robinson and the BNP. States Multiculturalism is as bad as Nazism.

Has a book (not read it, perhaps Ally has) that states the fall of western civilization started with the American Civil War (starting to abolish slavery? black folk getting freedom?)

and how " How and why the Palestinian cause presents a greater threat to the people of the West than it does to Israel and the vital part this totally bogus cause is playing in the current global jihad. "

" The tragic fall of South Africa and Rhodesia: How and why the international community spun an intricate web of deceptions to falsely portray Africa's two most successful nations as racist oppressors and made them pariahs. "

This guy certainly has some really nice extreme right wing views, like proper old school Victorian stuff.

Edited May 28, 2017 by phart

[phart]

Seriously though Ally watch who you read dude, all that stuff is heavy heavy right-wing. Palestine is a threat the west, Everyone was lying about south Africa being an apartheid state etc. The guy is a political flat earther

Edited May 28, 2017 by phart

[thplinth]

I made an absolute tit out of myself associating myself with Ally during the referendum. I regret it. We have nothing in common. I'd like to put it past me.  

[Ally Bongo]

14 minutes ago, phart said:

Seriously though Ally watch who you read dude, all that stuff is heavy heavy right-wing. Palestine is a threat the west, Everyone was lying about south Africa being an apartheid state etc. The guy is a political flat earther

Havent read any of his other work, was unaware of his other views and do not follow him on Twitter.

That of course does not make his article on Islamic Terrorism completely wrong

Even David Icke gets some things right !

Edited May 28, 2017 by Ally Bongo

[phart]

1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said:

Havent read any of his other work, was unaware of his other views and do not follow him on Twitter.

That of course does not make his article on Islamic Terrorism completely wrong

Yeah normally i would point out that Isaac Newton thinking that he could turn lead into gold or his other mad shit, didn't stop him being right when it came to classical physics and prisms etc.

However, this guys understanding of history also informs his views on Islam. So they are connected. He is right about the Saudi;s as well, but some of the other stuff doesn't have a basis in fact as far as i'm aware.

Wahabism is certainly a problem, Saudi's fund those schools. Assuming the homogeneity of Islam and it's followers and that they have/had a monopoly on suicide killings is just patently false.

[Parklife]

26 minutes ago, phart said:

The author retweets Tommy Robinson and the BNP. States Multiculturalism is as bad as Nazism.

Has a book (not read it, perhaps Ally has) that states the fall of western civilization started with the American Civil War (starting to abolish slavery? black folk getting freedom?)

and how " How and why the Palestinian cause presents a greater threat to the people of the West than it does to Israel and the vital part this totally bogus cause is playing in the current global jihad. "

" The tragic fall of South Africa and Rhodesia: How and why the international community spun an intricate web of deceptions to falsely portray Africa's two most successful nations as racist oppressors and made them pariahs. "

This guy certainly has some really nice extreme right wing views, like proper old school Victorian stuff.

I guess when you ascribe your viewpoint to other folk, rather than expressing it yourself, you're always likely to end up promoting the views of an absolute scumbag. 

Hence why I give Ally so much grief for his copy and pasting and for posting videos of other folks opinions. Think he has me on ignore due to it

[phart]

1 minute ago, Parklife said:

I guess when you ascribe your viewpoint to other folk, rather than expressing it yourself, you're always likely to end up promoting the views of an absolute scumbag. 

Hence why I give Ally so much grief for his copy and pasting and for posting videos of other folks opinions. Think he has me on ignore due to it

To be clear though I don't think Ally shares those other views AT ALL. they just have a cross-over on one subject.

That's why i read primary sources and make up my own mind. Although i read commentary too.

 

[Ally Bongo]

Here is Maajid Nawaz of Quilliam's take

We were warned, we knew it was coming, but we were not prepared. Manchester responded with resilience and heart – this is undeniable. Salman Abedi had been reported multiple times to the police by members of the Muslim community, and even by his own family who warned British authorities that he was dangerous. Why then was he not in, as Theresa May put it, our current “intelligence picture”? Surely Abedi was a walking red flag?

But our security forces are at maximum capacity, actively monitoring 3000 suspected British terrorists from a pool of 23000 extremists. They simply cannot keep up. The problem of identifying and eradicating extremists requires a deeper solution. Though reporting suspicious behaviour is important and must continue, the Muslim community must do more to challenge the kind of normalised everyday extremism that provides an optimal breeding ground for more vicious ideology to foster and develop.

The Manchester Islamic Centre is a case in point. Also known as Didsbury mosque, this is a place that Abedi frequented. The Centre has announced that the attack “has no place in Islam or any religion” and that they serve people from “all background and faiths, from our food and clothes banks, to all our interfaith dialogues.”

While these sentiments are hard to fault, a closer look at the mosque’s past preaching reveals a different picture.

Trustee of Didsbury mosque Farzi Haffar has previously sent a number of inflammatory anti-semitic tweets, including one that states: “The more these radical and fundamental #Jewish invaders attack #Moslem and #Christian #Arab holy areas in Palestine, the more hate there is.”
In another, he retweeted someone writing about “joy/applause for breaking taboo, comparing Israelis to Nazis”.

Didsbury mosque has also hosted speakers with anti-Semitic, homophobic, and other worrying views. Among them have been Abdullah Hakim Quick, Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari, and Abu Eesa Niamatullah.

The following provides only a slight glimpse into the dangerous drivel being preached on British soil by such speakers:

Hardline preacher Abu Eesa Niamtullah has said, “Is it halal to love one’s nation? […] The problem of course comes when you want to put your identity above that [the Ummah] and you start to be more loyal, and start to be more favourable to the people from your own nation and praise them, and support them, and look after them more so than the people from your primary nation which is the nation of Islam.”

He also exclaimed, “…they [Jews] have a track record in this insanity […] Look at them today. Look at the way that they massacre. They blow up babies like as if it’s a computer game. They have no humanity, no morality, no ethics, no deen (religion), no guidance, no light, nothing” and, “we want to warn our community that these secularists, that these liberal people who call themselves Muslims are the biggest danger within our community at the moment. And we have nothing to do with them” and finally “I also want to briefly mention something about women in the workplace: I am an absolute extremist in this issue in that I don’t have any time for the opposing arguments. Women should not be in the workplace whatsoever. Full stop.”

Muhammad ibn al-Kawthari has said, “The reason for this impermissibility of saying peace (salam) to non-Muslims is not to show them respect. When one greets them for a need, it is not out of respect.”

He has also said, “It has been prohibited in this verse of the Qur’an to make close friendship and have intimacy with the non-Muslims […] Our scholars (Hanafi) say: There is nothing wrong in seeking the assistance of non-Muslims in order to fight a common enemy as long as the Muslims have the upper hand.”

Abdul Hakim Quick has said, “Muslims are going to have to take a stand [against homosexuals] and it’s not enough to call names”

Along with Salman Abedi, Didsbury mosque has also been associated with other Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) members, most notably Salah Mohammed Ali Aboaoba, who told a court he had previously lived in Manchester, where he raised money for the al-Qaeda-linked group at Didsbury mosque after being granted asylum in the UK. Forgive me then for not sympathising with Didsbury Mosque when they try to clear their name from this story and distance themselves from Abedi.

The real problem is that these kinds of views aren’t limited to fringe mosques or outlying individuals, but have seeped through a significant portion of our Muslim communities, normalised to the point of becoming an accepted part of ‘Islam’ in some circles.

To understand how deep the problem goes, look to Manchester’s government employed counter-extremism Prevent coordinator Samiya Butt. Butt’s taxpayer-funded job specifically requires her to challenge extreme Islamist views and safeguard individuals from exploitation. Instead, Butt has actively endorsed the extremist views supported by a group called MEND. On her social media page Butt has added a badge promoting this organisation and posted a photo from an event hosted by them. She is an associate of one of organisation’s directors, Azad Ali, an extremist who has supported the killing of British troops, praised al-Qaeda lecture and recruiter Anwar al-Awlaki, and said that “democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the Sharia, of course no one agrees with that.”

If this is the state of our Muslim Prevent officers, whose job is to vigorously challenge the views of extremists like Azad Ali, not to work with them, then how can we expect to effect change in the rest of the British Muslim population?

Programs like Prevent may be imperfect, but we must reserve our real vitriol for those who espouse extremist rhetoric. One wonders why then, there appears to be more opposition in our communities to the Prevent programme – even by those earning a living off its name – than against the very extremists it sets out to challenge.

Reporting individuals like Salman Abedi is important, but how much praise does anyone really deserve for reporting an ISIS jihadist who is planning to mass-murder our children. Even al-Qaeda fights ISIS. This sets a very low bar. Counter terrorism is not to be confused with countering the extremism that breeds it. Here is where the real work lies. And it is this harder task of challenging Islamist extremism within our communities that most politicians, so-called community leaders and media voices are shying away from.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2017 by Ally Bongo

[Parklife]

29 minutes ago, phart said:

To be clear though I don't think Ally shares those other views AT ALL. they just have a cross-over on one subject.

That's why i read primary sources and make up my own mind. Although i read commentary too.

 

I don't think so either. I just find it funny that he can't express his views himself. 

[Orraloon]

13 hours ago, phart said:

The west is involved in fighting ISIS, no they are not, this again has been detailed hereon the TAMB by me, guess no one is reading just singing their own song, and evidenced, not just opinion pieces from randoms. Using cables, foreign policy letters, journalists actually on the ground in Syria.

 

I'm reading it. 

I just don't feel I know enough about it to comment much. Please keep up the good work. I don't have the time or the knowledge and probably not the inclination to dig out all that stuff for myself. I appreciate that you take the time to do it for us. Cheers.

[dan cake]

On 5/25/2017 at 9:51 AM, dan cake said:

one minute silence in my work today at 1100 hrs

no silence for john noakes at work today, what a strange world we live in 

[Ally Bongo]

Kudos to Ariana Grande (who i had never heard of prior to the attrocity)

Emirates arena concert on June 4 to raise money for the victims

Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Coldplay, Usher among others to perform

[Toepoke]

11 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

Kudos to Ariana Grande (who i had never heard of prior to the attrocity)

Emirates arena concert on June 4 to raise money for the victims

Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus, Coldplay, Usher among others to perform

It's actually at the Emirates cricket ground (will always be Old Trafford to me).  50,000 capacity gig.

 

[Ally Bongo]

1 hour ago, Toepoke said:

It's actually at the Emirates cricket ground (will always be Old Trafford to me).  50,000 capacity gig.

 

Excuse me for breathing .....