Regenmann Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 17 minutes ago, Alan said: Paul Monaghan, John Nicolson, Alex Salmond Shame Pete Wishart hung on. Aye, Scotland's angriest man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 24 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: North Ayrshire where I grew up - SNP Glasgow south where I say - SNP East Ayrshire where most of my family/friends are and where I socialise most - SNP. My conscience is clear! My conscience is eating me alive,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The SNP have to get on and run the country, stop going on about Indy/ref 2 , people have had enough of NS mentioning it every time she is on the telly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 53 minutes ago, wellyman said: When the rest of the Uk is knocking back the Tories , Scotland returns 13 Tory MP's the most in Scotland for over 30 years and that number will most probably help them form a coalition with the DUP . Scotland can now sit and pick up the scraps from the Tory table and as has happened for centuries do as your told. Shame on you Scotland !!!!!! Yep, it's shaming. However...... Tories in Scotland tend to be the old fashioned, more Tory 'wet' types. The few I know who are involved in campaigning are definitely on the left of the Tory party. Not sure where on the spectrum their candidates lie, but a lot of this depends on how much wee Ruthie is willing to fall out with the UK party - she's had a free ride of disagreeing with things May has said up to now, because there's no voting involved in it. But now instead of just saying she disagrees with it, she'll have to explain why Scottish MPs are voting for it as well (whatever 'it' is - let's just assume something damaging and ferociously right wing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) So where do we go from here,, i think this is a long game,, everyone knows the snp stand for independence so tgeres no need to mention it more than is required IMO. TBH the continued success of the snp all hinges on the bexit negotiations... folk say the constitutional question was to blame, i disagree, ind ref, brexit, sturgeon, education, business and council tax rates are all vote losers,, we need to mitigate these Edited June 9, 2017 by hampden_loon2878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Always a shame to see a conservative government, especially when Labour / Corbyn offered a genuine alternative this time. In terms of independence, a conservative government will do more for Scottish self determination than the SNP ever could at Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, wellyman said: The SNP have to get on and run the country, stop going on about Indy/ref 2 , people have had enough of NS mentioning it every time she is on the telly 11 hours ago, Stu101 said: 11 hours ago, aaid said: Are you fishing or just deaf? NS didn't bang the Indyref2 drum deliberately, it was Big mooth Ruth that spoke exclusively about it as she had no policies to support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, wellyman said: The SNP have to get on and run the country, stop going on about Indy/ref 2 , people have had enough of NS mentioning it every time she is on the telly To be fair, from what I have seen in recent weeks she only responds to questions. I obviously haven't seen everything, but personally haven't seen her offer it up first as a conversation to discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
min Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Just studying some of the results, a 20 point swing to the Tories in Salmond's seat! It's crazy. Tactical voting at its best/worst. I'm in Gordon and it was traditionally Lib Dem (Malcolm Bruce was the MP for 30+ years), yet this time the Libs haven't campaigned at all and there has been a constant bombardment from the Tories. Tory share of the vote up from 12% to 41% in two years. It's not all tactical though, the SNP vote has slipped, as the Scotland wide 13% swing from SNP to Tories highlights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 On 08/06/2017 at 10:48 AM, sbcmfc said: I think you're right about the unionist vote being split. Working class unionists who previously couldn't have brought themselves to vote Tory believe they are the only alternative to the SNP, and the SNP are the devil to unionists. The problem for the SNP vote in places like Lanarkshire would be folk who aren't unionist drifting back to labour from SNP. 16 hours ago, sbcmfc said: It was like Leicester winning the EPL. They probably won't ever do quite aswell again. Id guess a lot of the newly engaged in politics folk will have lost interest, looked out the window and thought "fukk that!" or gone back to blindly voting labour. Seems to have been what's happened in my area. You can accuse Coatbridge of being a lot of things, but unionist.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, min said: It's crazy. Tactical voting at its best/worst. I'm in Gordon and it was traditionally Lib Dem (Malcolm Bruce was the MP for 30+ years), yet this time the Libs haven't campaigned at all and there has been a constant bombardment from the Tories. Tory share of the vote up from 12% to 41% in two years. It's not all tactical though, the SNP vote has slipped, as the Scotland wide 13% swing from SNP to Tories highlights. Turnout down 4-5% as well which is going to affect the SNP more (younger voters etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
min Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Always a shame to see a conservative government, especially when Labour / Corbyn offered a genuine alternative this time. In terms of independence, a conservative government will do more for Scottish self determination than the SNP ever could at Westminster. I used to think that, but a having a Tory government since 2010 - before, during and after Indyref and Brexit - hasn't stopped their vote increasing to almost 30% and 13 MP's being elected. The SNP need to realise that Tories are no longer toxic to hundreds of thousands of Scottish voters and try to counter that. Edited June 9, 2017 by min Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The DUP must be one of the most regressive parties out there. Horrified that they could have a major influence on UK government policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The SNP were the victim of their own success and circumstance generally. Whichever way to turn - being more or less indy, being more or less Brexity, more left or right, and more staunch or more meek - would have picked up some votes and lost others. Would they rather be like UKIP - decimated but mission accomplished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
min Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, exile said: The SNP were the victim of their own success and circumstance generally. Whichever way to turn - being more or less indy, being more or less Brexity, more left or right, and more staunch or more meek - would have picked up some votes and lost others. Would they rather be like UKIP - decimated but mission accomplished? Is that a real question? Scottish independence or a few more SNP MP's at Westminster? Know which I'd prefer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, min said: I used to think that, but a having a Tory government since 2010 - before, during and after Indyref and Brexit - hasn't stopped their vote increasing to almost 30% and 13 MP's being elected. The SNP need to realise that Tories are no longer toxic to hundreds of thousands of Scottish voters and try to counter that. It's not that that's the problem. The seats the Tories have won are all substantially farming and fishing areas. There's a feeling in these communities that they're being ignored - and it's very much reflective of the way that the SNP originally got a foothold in those areas, as the Labour Party was viewed as city based and not interested in rural economy, agriculture, fisheries etc. Now that the SNP has made massive inroads in the Central belt, they have to an extent neglected that original base of seats and have fallen down the same hole as Labour. They need to watch that they don't fall down another Labour hole, which is to concentrate solely on shouting 'our opponent is bad' about the Tories in the same way that Slabour have done for ten years about the SNP, and done it to the detriment of everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, min said: Is that a real question? Scottish independence or a few more SNP MP's at Westminster? Know which I'd prefer! yes a question but not presupposing a 'correct' answer. if the party is going to apologise for risking popularity for being too indy then i do wonder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
min Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, biffer said: It's not that that's the problem. The seats the Tories have won are all substantially farming and fishing areas. There's a feeling in these communities that they're being ignored - and it's very much reflective of the way that the SNP originally got a foothold in those areas, as the Labour Party was viewed as city based and not interested in rural economy, agriculture, fisheries etc. Now that the SNP has made massive inroads in the Central belt, they have to an extent neglected that original base of seats and have fallen down the same hole as Labour. They need to watch that they don't fall down another Labour hole, which is to concentrate solely on shouting 'our opponent is bad' about the Tories in the same way that Slabour have done for ten years about the SNP, and done it to the detriment of everything else. There's a lot of truth in that. For many, the SNP are now perceived as being a central belt party as opposed to a national party. A perfect example is the business rate reforms, which disproportionately hit the NE. Properties valued before the oil crash and no real mechanism in place to react to huge decreases in business turnover. It also irks a lot of people that Aberdeen City / Aberdeenshire are two of the lowest funded councils in the land - which was fair when the place was booming. Now the area is in desperate need of additional funding and any progressive party (or people) would see that the central government distribution formula needs to be revised. Of course, this would involve diverting some funds from councils elsewhere (including Glasgow and Dundee), are the government brave enough to do what is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Scottish Tories voted for Davidson not May Scottish Labour voted for Corbyn not Dugdale Discuss... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 12 hours ago, Parklife said: Tory majority government, thanks to the teuchters and Aberdonians. That'd wonderfully highlight how densely populated these areas are with selfish khunts. Had to go back and correct this for you parkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Goozay said: Scottish Tories voted for Davidson not May Scottish Labour voted for Corbyn not Dugdale Discuss... Or Anybody but Nicola Sturgeon.... Ive commented before on what appears to be an irrational dislike of NS for no good reason other than (all she talks about is) independence and lego hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 39 minutes ago, RenfrewBlue said: Are you fishing or just deaf? NS didn't bang the Indyref2 drum deliberately, it was Big mooth Ruth that spoke exclusively about it as she had no policies to support. Once the Brexit letter was sent to Brussels NS informed the PM that she would be calling for another referendum, the PM said no and a few days later the PM calls for a GE !!! NS timing was beyond bad as from then all the other parties and broadcasters would mention was Indy/ref 2 when discussing the SNP, quite simply NS shot herself in the foot big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 If dugdale had focussed on her own campaigning instead of that tactical voting shite then we might not be looking at a tory/dup coalition. Once again scottish labour have been completely played by the tories. When will they wake up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, wellyman said: Once the Brexit letter was sent to Brussels NS informed the PM that she would be calling for another referendum, the PM said no and a few days later the PM calls for a GE !!! NS timing was beyond bad as from then all the other parties and broadcasters would mention was Indy/ref 2 when discussing the SNP, quite simply NS shot herself in the foot big time. she asked the Scottish govt for the right to request another referendum if brexit is a disaster. that was granted. after that it was all the other parties who kept banging on about it. I mean what other policies did the tories actually campaign on? what else did you hear? nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Most important question now - what is the DUP's position on Brexit and Irish border? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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