Donaldo87 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Gutted to see Angus go. Always came across very well at PMQs etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 hearing the reason lot of people voted Tory in North East is because they are unhappy with the increase in council tax being loaded onto people with high value houses, which is impacting NE more than other locations proporitionately , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The SNP needs to decide what it's for. Is it to run the regional parliament, provide a token show of colour in the precious union rainbow parliament alongside other regional parties? Is it simplistic to say, that if they'd just gone out and said vote SNP for mandate for independence (not referendum), they would hardly have done worse than they did? - maybe even better as it would have energised and motivated those who turn out for the big votes that make a decisive difference. (By the way, I'm not saying they should have done that, and I'm not saying they shouldn't give the impression they are listening to the voters by going softer on indyref2;... I'm just reflecting how difficult it is to do all the things they are trying to do at once.) In some respects both the Tories in England and SNP in Scotland were fighting a rerun of 2015 and hoping for the same result. Scottish Labour got lucky, despite themselves, because of Corbyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govanhill Jacobite Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Surely May has too resign after this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 At the bottom of this page you can the seats that changed. http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40176349 It is very noticeable how so many of the tory seats they won came from Scotland. Massively disproportionate. Labour probably did about as well as they did in England, maybe a little below but the real story is why the tories did so well in Scotland and the NE in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 10 hours ago, Parklife said: Tory majority government, thanks to the teuchters and Edinburgers. That'd wonderfully highlight how densely populated these areas are with selfish khunts. Strathclyde region - Tory seats Lothian region - no tory seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govanhill Jacobite Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 With Labour Anti Union then surely if you were voting against the SNP for indy then you would be voting labour NOT Tory. If those seats that went tory had went labour could have handled that, People in Scotland have very short memories on Tory's if you ask me and did they not read their manifesto or watch May having a nightmare. I despair for this Country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wellyman Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 When the rest of the Uk is knocking back the Tories , Scotland returns 13 Tory MP's the most in Scotland for over 30 years and that number will most probably help them form a coalition with the DUP . Scotland can now sit and pick up the scraps from the Tory table and as has happened for centuries do as your told. Shame on you Scotland !!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercules Rockefeller Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 21 minutes ago, exile said: The SNP needs to decide what it's for. Is it to run the regional parliament, provide a token show of colour in the precious union rainbow parliament alongside other regional parties? Is it simplistic to say, that if they'd just gone out and said vote SNP for mandate for independence (not referendum), they would hardly have done worse than they did? - maybe even better as it would have energised and motivated those who turn out for the big votes that make a decisive difference. (By the way, I'm not saying they should have done that, and I'm not saying they shouldn't give the impression they are listening to the voters by going softer on indyref2;... I'm just reflecting how difficult it is to do all the things they are trying to do at once.) In some respects both the Tories in England and SNP in Scotland were fighting a rerun of 2015 and hoping for the same result. Scottish Labour got lucky, despite themselves, because of Corbyn. Yes, that is absolutely what the SNP should have done. The 2015 GE showed what happens when nationalists vote the same way and take a hard stance against the Tories and Westminster. The SNP needs to stop treading on eggshells with Indyref2 and tell it how it is. Hardcore unionists aren't going to vote SNP anyway so why try and get unionist votes? The disappointing result was more down to nationalists either not bothering to vote or voting Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Yep new Scottish Tory MPs will be the ones keeping May (or her replacement) in power for sure. With the DUP she has a razor thin 327 seats with a couple of seats still to post a result. Without the 12 new Scottish MPs she would have really struggled to get a majority coalition I reckon. Would have needed the Liberals and even then it would be very thin. Nice one Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, thplinth said: Yep new Scottish Tory MPs will be the ones keeping May (or her replacement) in power for sure. With the DUP she has a razor thin 327 seats with a couple of seats still to post a result. Without the 12 new Scottish MPs she would have really struggled to get a majority coalition I reckon. Would have needed the Liberals and even then it would be very thin. Nice one Scotland. You have not calculated the 7 Sinn Fein MP's into your figures, as they do not take their seats in westminster, hence a tory/dup coalition will have a wider margin over the total opposition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, wellyman said: You have not calculated the 7 Sinn Fein MP's into your figures, as they do not take their seats in westminster, hence a tory/dup coalition will have a wider margin over the total opposition No I have not. But now you raise it it does make the decision to call a snap GE look even more stupid! Bet those 330 seats they had are looking pretty good right about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govanhill Jacobite Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Seen this and I thought they were trying to lose also She will nor resign She has got exactly what she wanted, to lose her overall majority, so that Brexit will fail, and she can say that it was not her fault, she was and still is a ¿REMAINER¿. She deliberately threw it away right at the beginning, with the pensions, the school meals, the elderly care, the winter fuel payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scot scotland scottish Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, wellyman said: When the rest of the Uk is knocking back the Tories , Scotland returns 13 Tory MP's the most in Scotland for over 30 years and that number will most probably help them form a coalition with the DUP . Scotland can now sit and pick up the scraps from the Tory table and as has happened for centuries do as your told. Shame on you Scotland !!!!!! Eh naw... let's be accurate here. Shame on N.E. Scotland (as well as a few other constituencies). I never voted Tory and neither did my constituency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 24 minutes ago, wellyman said: When the rest of the Uk is knocking back the Tories , Scotland returns 13 Tory MP's the most in Scotland for over 30 years and that number will most probably help them form a coalition with the DUP . Scotland can now sit and pick up the scraps from the Tory table and as has happened for centuries do as your told. Shame on you Scotland !!!!!! we have voted in a party that is taking school meals away from children and houses away from old people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
min Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, wellyman said: You have not calculated the 7 Sinn Fein MP's into your figures, as they do not take their seats in westminster, hence a tory/dup coalition will have a wider margin over the total opposition True. Looks like there'll be 319 Tory's plus 10 DUP - so 329. Opposition will have 321 less 7 Sinn Fein less speaker = 313. 329 v 313 is just about workable. Shows what a difference the 12 Tory gains in Scotland has made to this election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I can't take any pleasure in Corbyn's success at all due to what happened in Scotland. And for all his success he has fallen short. Instead of giving herself strength in the BREXIT negotiations she has weakened the UK position. We are all going to be ones to pay for this cluster fhuck of a situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regenmann Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, min said: True. Looks like there'll be 319 Tory's plus 10 DUP - so 329. Opposition will have 321 less 7 Sinn Fein less speaker = 313. 329 v 313 is just about workable. Shows what a difference the 12 Tory gains in Scotland has made to this election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, scot scotland scottish said: Eh naw... let's be accurate here. Shame on N.E. Scotland (as well as a few other constituencies). I never voted Tory and neither did my constituency North Ayrshire where I grew up - SNP Glasgow south where I say - SNP East Ayrshire where most of my family/friends are and where I socialise most - SNP. My conscience is clear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Paul Monaghan, John Nicolson, Alex Salmond Shame Pete Wishart hung on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I think this could be positive in terms of EU negotiations. A soft brexit with ALL parties involved and more importantly taking responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 On 5/19/2017 at 6:43 PM, mariokempes56 said: I think that Lady Theresa has overstretched herself in her arrogant belief that this was going to be a landslide, ably supported by a 99% complaint media as normal. By making the changes to pensions / and social care she has, rather than reach into the left pool, possibly alienated a lot on all sides of the spectrum. Maybe just wishful thinking but a tenner on Tories with no overall majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 hours ago, wembley67lisbon said: Take a look at the map. Aberdeen ffs. Hope none make their way down on Saturday. Does that mean you're giving it a miss too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just studying some of the results, a 20 point swing to the Tories in Salmond's seat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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