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I can't be bothered checking through the history but has there ever been a non-white leader of the SNP?

Interesting article on Tulsi Gabbard leaving the democrats. A of of truth in it IMHO and very relevant as to why Trump caused them to come unglued had to be replaced one way or the other. We are all in the hands of these 'people'. No dissenters allowed. https://www.rt.com/news/564594-tulsi-gabbard-democratic-party-us/ Tulsi Gabbard dares to challenge Washington’s war machine The former presidential candidate has shown that opposing regime-change policies is the one taboo that the ruling class won’t tolerate Tulsi Gabbard’s rapid transformation from rising Democratic star to demonized outcast – culminating this week with her decision to leave the party – has exposed the one thing on which every powerful person in Washington can agree: war is good. It’s the one thing, in fact, that everyone must agree on, if they expect to attain any power and have a long and prosperous career in American politics. Those who don’t will be kept on the fringes, at best. If they speak out too effectively, they’ll be branded a traitor. As former congressman Ron Paul and his son, Senator Rand Paul, have proved, they’ll never be taken seriously as a presidential candidate and won’t be allowed to contest, regardless of how many debates they win. Gabbard has illustrated this reality better than anyone. Consider how much she brought to the table when she entered Congress in 2013, how touted she was as the next big thing, then look at how seemingly little it took for her to be essentially excommunicated. Her fall from grace was astonishingly quick, and illuminating. Then just 31, she came from one of the most reliably blue states, Hawaii, as the youngest lawmaker to ever represent her district. She’s non-white. In fact, she checked a couple of those identitarian boxes that the Democrats love so much, becoming the first Hindu member and the first Samoan-American voting member of Congress. She’s a war veteran. She’s articulate and comes across as a person who passionately believes in what she’s saying. In short, she was like a far better version of Kamala Harris. Try to imagine the current vice president being younger, smarter, likable and principled. Sprinkle in some extra credit points for military service and an ability to seem human, without the uncontrollable laughing in the most inappropriate moments. That would be Tulsi Gabbard. It wasn’t hard for Democratic Party leaders to see Gabbard’s potential when she won her first primary in 2012. President Barack Obama endorsed her, and Nancy Pelosi, then House minority leader, invited her to speak at the Democratic National Convention. Immediately upon arriving in Congress in 2013, she was named vice chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC). Right on cue, CNN and other legacy media outlets began fawning over Gabbard as the “next superstar” and “the one to watch.” MSNBC suggested that Hollywood might want to make a movie about her, and CNN commentator Ana Navarro quipped, “I don’t know, but in a battle, I want her in my trench.” But then almost as suddenly, none of the talking heads wanted Gabbard in their trench. After Donald Trump’s shocking victory in the 2016 presidential election, she had the audacity to meet with the president-elect. The problem wasn’t really that she had a conversation with Bad Orange Man. What was unforgivable was what she wanted to talk about: the US regime-change campaign in Syria. “I felt it important to take the opportunity to meet with the president-elect now, before the drumbeats of war that neocons have been beating drag us into an escalation of the war to overthrow the Syrian government,” Gabbard said at the time. Weeks later, she traveled to Syria to see the horrific conditions on the ground, and she met with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. For all intents and purposes, Gabbard’s stint as a Democratic Party darling was over. Actually, it was worse than being removed from the A-list. She was deemed a traitor to her nation in the eyes of the power brokers. Hillary Clinton, the party’s 2016 presidential nominee, went so far as to suggest that Gabbard was being groomed as a Russian pawn, saying: “She’s the favorite of the Russians.” When Gabbard ran for president in the 2020 race, she brought her anti-war message to the primary debates and humiliated Harris as a hypocrite on criminal justice. After her first debate performance, she became the most searched candidate online, but Google suspended her advertising account, meaning she couldn’t capitalize on the surge in voter interest. She accused the DNC of keeping her out of some of the key later debates, in one case changing its rules to do so, and Gabbard quit the race shortly thereafter. With the media portraying her as an anti-LGBTQ bigot and a “Russian asset,” Gabbard’s career in Congress was also soon to end. She chose not to seek re-election and was the only Democrat who didn’t join with other party members in the House to vote for Trump’s impeachment. However, Gabbard continued to speak out against warmongering, especially after Russia began its military offensive against Ukraine in February, triggering rebukes from Democrats and Republicans alike. She became even more of a political pariah when she warned that Biden’s policy of fighting a proxy war against Russia was pushing Americans closer to nuclear disaster. After she raised concern about claims of US-funded biolabs in Ukraine, Senator Mitt Romney accused her of spouting “treasonous lies.” When Gabbard announced her exit from the Democratic Party on Tuesday, she spoke of “cowardly wokeness,” racial divisiveness, hostility toward people of faith and weaponization of law enforcement against political opponents. But the one real deal killer, the one truly irreconcilable difference, was war. “I can no longer remain in today’s Democratic Party that is now under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers,” she said. Sadly, she could have said the same thing about the Republican Party. As economist and policy analyst Jeffrey Sachs pointed out in an interview on Monday, “This country is a war machine at the top.” He added, “We are a security state. We have a secret state which runs most of our foreign and military policy.” All the gamesmanship about race, gender and other trumped-up social issues is just political theater. What really matters in Washington is war, and Gabbard’s effectiveness as a communicator makes her dangerous to the war machine. She makes clear that US policies have nothing to do with the real security and economic interests of the American people. “We have too many people in Washington who are warmongers, subservient to the military industrial complex, and continuing to put their own selfish interests and the interests of their donors first, with no mind for the cost and consequence that their decisions have on the American people,” she said in a Fox News interview on Tuesday. “That’s exactly what we’re seeing right now with President Biden and leaders in Congress, whose decisions are actively pushing us to the brink of a nuclear holocaust, of which they may have their bunkers where they’ll be safe, but we the American people will have no shelter, no place to go, no place to hide, and face the consequences that could destroy all of humanity and the world as we know it.”

Here is one for you...IF the Salmond stitch-up was an operation by our US friends and Nicky and Peter are our version of Tony and Cherie Blair (and I think they well might be)... then consider this... Donald Trump was US president throughout the Salmond stitch-up (and well before). It was right in the middle of his term. So if it was a US operation it is likely he ordered it and / or at least approved it. It is maybe not as unlikely as you think either. Remember the animosity that existed between Trump the property mogul at the time and Salmond when he was FM? One thing about Donald Trump is he is an extremely vengeful guy. He really bears a grudge and works very hard to pay it back. He boasts about it. Trump probably green-lighted the Salmond stitch-up and took pleasure in it. So I am not a big fan. That and he spent four years trying to crawl up Benny Netanyahu's ringer, little things like that. But compared to the mentalists running Old Joe... Trump now looks brilliant. But anyone would though... It is hard to get worse than the brink of WWIII and ruined economies😀 and all achieved in just a few months in power as well, awesome. And this was just the starter, maybe just the pre-starter even... can't wait for the next course.

But while I am on this thread I feel really sorry for the people the FBI etc entrapped on Jan 6 as well. They have been totally fucked. The weaponization of the justice system in the US is really shocking to me. But of course it was done by exactly the same 'team woke' in Scotland as well. And that was against a former FM as well. This is real sinister stuff IMHO. We have a real problem going on in the world right now and it aint Donald fecking Trump. 😀

So Trump went on Infowars in 2015 while he was running for president? Gosh imagine that. Still not seeing any hugging going on. So the premise here seems to be that anyone who is interviewed by Alex Jones is 'embracing' him and they then become one and the same person/thread with Alex Jones forever thereafter. Hmmmm. either that it is just another cheap attempt at smearing by association. I know where my bet is on. It is strange as well, as Trump has been out of office for a good while now and the guy you fawn over is in the whitehouse, so what more do you want. And boy is he is a living catastrophe. Especially for Europe. Way to go. You guys have got the real Midas touch all right. I guess that is why you are still banging on about Trump even when it is not even about Trump. 😀 Everything you said about Russia collusion was outright garbage. There was no collusion, it was a lie created to stop Trump from improving relations with Russia. As soon as he 'lost' the election and in a few short months with Hillary Obiden back in power we are on the brink of WWIII with guess who... Russia. You guys are clearly the mentalist menace to the world not Trump. You make Trump look good. 😀

The difference being the NYT knew it was lies at the time. Jones is just a clown in comparison. No pictures of the Trump/Jones cuddle I see. Probably safe to assume it was made up also.😉

I am the guy who defended a man in his darkest hour who was subsequently found not guilty at every judgement. You are the guy who smeared a man in his darkest hour (but over years) who was subsequently found not guilty at every judgement. You are one colossal piece.

I know you like to think you can cross examine folk on here and demand answers but why would anyone spend a second of their lives doing it. We all saw what you did.

Jesus are you that crazy that you think that everyone on here the last 8 years plus never saw it. This whole thread (or rather indyref2) is a living testimony to it but multiple other threads. You have been pulled up on it so many times... 😀

😀 What happened with all the Russia collusion stories you told us were about to end in charges? Is it maybe you are a serial gobshite?

Wings is always impeccably sourced. Unlike the baseless cheap smears you peddle.

Yes we all must have missed them 'embracing'. Let's see it then. 😀 No cop-outs please. embracing: to hold someone tightly with both arms to express love, liking, or sympathy, or when greeting or leaving someone: e.g. (If Sturgeon was not such a midget they would be literally cheek to cheek. Incredible.)

😀 What has Sandy Hook got to do with a thread on Donald Trump. You had a perfectly good News Thread to post this on. Why pick this one. Still no comment on Hunter Bidens laptop I see or maybe starting a 'Joe Biden is a fucking arsehole who is going to torch the world' thread. Instead pulling this up to post Alex Jones 'news'... dearie me. That is partisans for you. One thing that came out of the court case is that Alex Jones is currently worth 270 million dollars and that is after a very expensive divorce and being deplatformed to death. He was absolutely minting it at one point before he got banned. Making hundreds of thousands of dollars a day apparently at his peak. He might be a clown but he is not daft. Fucked himself a bit with Sandy Hook but let's see what it actually costs him in the end. He can obviously afford very good lawyers. Again fuck knows what any of this has to do with a guy who used to be President of America. 😀

Felt a bit sorry for McGregor. That second half ended up a blitzkrieg. Can't imagine he had great nights sleep after that. Mo Salah would hive been popping up in his dreams to slot another passed him all night. Salah is something else though. He seems able to take two steps where other players can only manage one. Nimble as fuck. I think Rangers were totally shell shocked by him. He was only on the pitch 13 minutes as a sub and had netted a hat trick. it was a bit of a crazy end to the game it felt. Be interesting to see how Rangers do domestically now. Bit of a confidence shaker maybe.

True but 1-7 at home and a six minute hat trick is a bit of a gubbing. Was not paying enough attention to see what caused the collapse. Was it after GVB made his substitutions? I think Rangers bringing on a hugely fat striker maybe insulted them and made them angry. 😀

Fair enough but I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about RFC and CFC the clubs Being Europe's whipping boys is a humiliation (if that is what it ends up). Certainly not what i recall growing up through the 80s. This is sad case stuff v then which is sad case stuff v a previous age.

It is funny seeing Rangers and Celtic utterly humiliated by their international peers like they humiliate their domestic peers. The total lack of competition domestically is why Rangers thought they could bring on a whale like Morelos shortly before getting pumped. They are fucking us but fucking themselves. 😀

That is going to take some beating.

What was it, a 5 minute hat-trick?

I was singing his praises but fair to say the wheels have all come off the GVB bus at the same time. They utterly fell apart there in the last 30. Morelos is a fat, fat cunt. All the Rangers subs were are disaster. And I only tuned at 1-3.

Before things get too nasty is it too late to ask what hair dye you use Ramy? That stuff could turn the sun black!

He was accusing someone of being an alkie whilst boasting about being t-total for 7 months recently... although you have to wonder what prompted going t-total... I think this is just a hyper aggressive stage as the last remnants of the swally exit his system leading up to a spectacular falling off of the wagon. 😀 You can feel the seethe. How many folk has he full on physically threatened recently... He is four foot ten FFS!

Coming off the expressway maybe carrying too much speed...

detest verb [ T not continuous ] UK /dɪˈtest/ US /dɪˈtest/ to hate someone or something very much: So to say you detest tories is to say you hate them. I hate trannies - a crime according to the FM I hate tories - something she feels comfortable saying in public about a significant % of the Scottish population based on their political views. Utter woke hypocrisy as usual, that completely alienates any potential right of centre or even centre YES voters. NS is a self destructive moron as 'leader' of the independence movement and should be up on her own hate crime charges. Do you think the cops would not be chapping your door if you said this about any of her wee favourites. Amazing she feels comfortable coming out with an extremist remark like that.

They would destroy all the platforms in the North Sea and everywhere else and Aberdeen as the main harbour / service hub and every pipeline to and from. Where is that massive oil complex in Shetland is it? Sullum voe? You think that will escape or Lossiemouth or any base retired or active or any part of Scotland that has any geographical strategic importance? Royal deeside will be left untouched will it. The natural deep sea harbors to the north of Scotland the British navy are so fond of? There is a reason Scotland was not allowed her independence. We are geographically highly strategically important to our yank friends. Same reasons that make us a massive target. They don’t give a fuck about us.