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On 10/10/2017 at 10:40 PM, exile said:

'London Tories look too old and white'.

Well bless my cotton socks, what a revelation. With insight like that I can see why she is being touted as a future PM. 

 

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The Herald's "Politician of the Year" 

People are dying because of Tory Policies and there has been a rise in religious hate crime against Catholics in Scotland 

Please don't ever suggest that the Herald's "sister" paper is Pro Independence 

It's just another colonial rag 

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3 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

The Herald's "Politician of the Year" 

People are dying because of Tory Policies and there has been a rise in religious hate crime against Catholics in Scotland 

Please don't ever suggest that the Herald's "sister" paper is Pro Independence 

It's just another colonial rag 

This news has been widely covered by the Scottish media, who struggled so badly to locate her for interview when a number of party's elected representatives were accused of posting bigoted material online.  Odd that. 

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1 minute ago, Haggis_trap said:

^ I would love it if Ruth Davidson stood for PM.

1. She would need to be elected as an MP via by-election.  Hardly a tap in ;-)
2. It would expose EVEL for the sham that it is ;-)

Bring it on!

She'd go for a safe Tory seat in the Home Counties somewhere which would get around both your points.

Oh shit, I've just had a really bad premonition.  Theresa May stands down as PM and an MP, causes a by-election in Maidenhead and the Colonel literally parks her tank on my lawn. 

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11 hours ago, aaid said:

She'd go for a safe Tory seat in the Home Counties somewhere which would get around both your points.

Oh shit, I've just had a really bad premonition.  Theresa May stands down as PM and an MP, causes a by-election in Maidenhead and the Colonel literally parks her tank on my lawn. 

That's a euphemism I've never heard before.

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On 17/11/2017 at 10:08 AM, Ally Bongo said:

 

Excellent video.  Thanks for posting it.  Davidson is undoubtedly well liked down south but I do wonder what would happen if she went to England. I suspect that there would be far greater scrutiny and her dishonesty and lack of policies might quickly be revealed. Journalists in Scotland seem to give her easy publicity, a little bit like the BBC love in with Garage and UKIP.

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Is there anyone in the Scottish Conservative ranks at Holyrood that could conceivably be soft on indy?  I've long thought getting a centre right voice backing it, or at least not diametrically against, would be a huge boost to Yes. The ref in 2014 was quite left wing in nature which made sense as we were in midst of an austerity Cameron govt, but the economics and confidence on it was where we fell down.  

A conservative, thrifty, pro enterprise voice in favour of Indy but without the clinging to Downing street would be a huge advantage for making a grab of those Scots who voted No in Indyref, and those in more recent times have switched from Labour to Tory.

Ruth has so nailed her colours to Britain she is a lost cause, could however a successor be found helpful to us in the wider movement if we laid up a bit on Tories...............bad narrative that Kezia used to such (lack of) success against the SNP.

 

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3 hours ago, jockodile said:

Is there anyone in the Scottish Conservative ranks at Holyrood that could conceivably be soft on indy?  I've long thought getting a centre right voice backing it, or at least not diametrically against, would be a huge boost to Yes. The ref in 2014 was quite left wing in nature which made sense as we were in midst of an austerity Cameron govt, but the economics and confidence on it was where we fell down.  

I know there were some Tory commentators who were pro Yes, eg. Michael Fry, Moray MacDonald. But I couldn't think of any elected members who were the slightest bit interested in independence, even after Brexit which most of them also opposed.

 

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6 hours ago, jockodile said:

Is there anyone in the Scottish Conservative ranks at Holyrood that could conceivably be soft on indy?  I've long thought getting a centre right voice backing it, or at least not diametrically against, would be a huge boost to Yes. The ref in 2014 was quite left wing in nature which made sense as we were in midst of an austerity Cameron govt, but the economics and confidence on it was where we fell down.  

A conservative, thrifty, pro enterprise voice in favour of Indy but without the clinging to Downing street would be a huge advantage for making a grab of those Scots who voted No in Indyref, and those in more recent times have switched from Labour to Tory.

Ruth has so nailed her colours to Britain she is a lost cause, could however a successor be found helpful to us in the wider movement if we laid up a bit on Tories...............bad narrative that Kezia used to such (lack of) success against the SNP.

 

Scottish Conservative and Unionist party, the clue is in the name.   What's more, until they merged with the Conservatives in the UK in 1965 they were a completely separate party called the Unionist Party.

The short answer is no.   

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1 hour ago, aaid said:

Scottish Conservative and Unionist party, the clue is in the name.   What's more, until they merged with the Conservatives in the UK in 1965 they were a completely separate party called the Unionist Party.

The short answer is no.   

How many times do you think it needs to be repeated that both Conservative and Labour are equally staunch Unionist and Establishment parties before people will stop daydreaming about them changing tack on Scottish Independence ? ;)

It's just as ludicrous thinking that the Labour party would want to never mind would deliver a socialist UK never mind get into power on that ticket

The only benefit of Leonard winning, as espoused in his comments about Corbyn, is that the delusion of Scottish Labour not being a branch office is over

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10 hours ago, aaid said:

Scottish Conservative and Unionist party, the clue is in the name.   What's more, until they merged with the Conservatives in the UK in 1965 they were a completely separate party called the Unionist Party.

Bit of trivia, the Scottish Unionists were so named as they supported maintaining the union with Ireland. Although that was a time when suggesting the idea of Scottish independence would have seen you admitted to Leverndale...

 

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The narrative that to be centre right needs to be interwoven with unionism is up for challenge surely. 

Let's say Yes had just sneaked home in 2014 and we were now either indy or in a transitional state. Would the Tories be still clinging to the old days and what was? Campaigning for a return to the UK?

Or just moved on and focusing on holding govt to account on matters pertinent to them like taxation,  law and order etc?

it would be useful to corner the electorate on both directions,  if Tories are a lost cause would a SNP voice contrary to the leadership politically ever be possible.  Unlikely I suppose.

 

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20 hours ago, aaid said:

Scottish Conservative and Unionist party, the clue is in the name.   What's more, until they merged with the Conservatives in the UK in 1965 they were a completely separate party called the Unionist Party.

The short answer is no.   

Probably less than 29%,could imagine 15-20%

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58b74f6ce4b0284854b3d6be/amp

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56 minutes ago, flumax said:

I think that poll is UK wide and those who "support" Scottish Independence aren't Scottish Tories who think it would be beneficial to Scotland but rather English Tories who want to get rid of Scotland.

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1 hour ago, euan2020 said:

Virgin birth ? or has she taken a liking to the Bobby ?

Who knows. I doubt there will a queue of folk willing to take responsibility. 

The Royals will no be happy , being overshadowed by a commoner. But at least the happy news should keep the SNP off the front page of the Mail and Express for a day. 

 

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