new hugh Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) No apologies needed Flure. Enjoyed your posts here throughout the campaign. This is not the end though, IMO it's the start of the next step that will lead to another referendum & possibly a different outcome within 10 years. The Yes campaign will have learned from this campaign & can only get stronger. And this. We'll learn from our mistakes. We'll be back again one day. And we'll win. Edited September 19, 2014 by new hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Heid up auld yin you are the good qunt here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I've never met you Flure but no need to apologise, you where always positive throughout & your positivity spread to me and others throughout the board, we are all gutted because we had a chance, a real chance, but that will come again in the future & in my lifetime (i'm 48) To the people who voted no, absolutely no hard feelings, jobs, family & security all come into it (ya selfish bassas ) SCOTLAND FOREVER !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solihull Scot Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'm a massive lurker/non-poster here. Please don't apologise Flure. Its been an education watching your posts. Thanks for all the hard work in convincing more than me that YES was the way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 agree with all the above. the guys who did all the groundwork for this must be gutted. I am amazed though, how consistenlt people doing the canvassing were getting 60% yes numbers and then on the night this disappeared. what happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 agree with all the above. the guys who did all the groundwork for this must be gutted. I am amazed though, how consistenlt people doing the canvassing were getting 60% yes numbers and then on the night this disappeared. what happened? This is what I've been pondering also. I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 agree with all the above. the guys who did all the groundwork for this must be gutted. I am amazed though, how consistenlt people doing the canvassing were getting 60% yes numbers and then on the night this disappeared. what happened? For some reason it crumbled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Shat it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This is what I've been pondering also. I don't get it. They fell for the (questionable legality) extra powers promised by the 3 stooges at the last minute. Won't be long before they feel really stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Shat it we;ll aye thats the obvious conclusion. but are we serious that so many said they would vote yes and then in the booth put No? it doesnt really add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 agree with all the above. the guys who did all the groundwork for this must be gutted. I am amazed though, how consistenlt people doing the canvassing were getting 60% yes numbers and then on the night this disappeared. what happened? This is what I've been pondering also. I don't get it. In the East End of Glasgow, we had 3 lots of campaigners/canvassers at the door. All were within the last 2 weeks, and all were from Better Together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 In the East End of Glasgow, we had 3 lots of campaigners/canvassers at the door. All were within the last 2 weeks, and all were from Better Together. All bussed in? Democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) You and your comrades have worked your arses off for 2 years, to reach out and engage with the disengaged of Scotland, those in all those poor areas abandoned by Labour, to make the difference between a normal vote and this one, to get the pro-independence vote from 25-30 % to 45%, only for Gordon Brown to deliver the electorate over to the forces of the Westminster establishment and corporate Britain, wrapped in the Union Jack; and allow them the satisfaction of saying they defeated nationalism on the back of a high turnout. So I can't imagine how gutted you feel - but you can all be proud and unbowed. The Tories may have won the corporate argument, and got out enough of those who vote with their pockets. But there can be no gloating from Labour MPs and MSPs who have effectively abandoned their own people and sold their soul. Edited September 19, 2014 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I don't understand who we can go from and SNP Majority in 2011 to such a thumping in 2014. Given that the SNPs main policy was to push for the referendum and ultimately indy then surely by default all of those who voted them in as a majority government also supported this. Where have all those people went in 3 years? The map below shows how each region voted in 2011. What has changed so much to remove all that yellow off the board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittymeister Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 There is no need to apologise. The work that you and people like you did to energise the debate was superb. The amount of time that you gave the cause is also superb and an inspiration to many. Can we now expect some Friday Funnies starting next week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Fairbairn, don't forget that people were voting for a government, and the alternative was Iain Gray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I don't understand who we can go from and SNP Majority in 2011 to such a thumping in 2014. Given that the SNPs main policy was to push for the referendum and ultimately indy then surely by default all of those who voted them in as a majority government also supported this. Where have all those people went in 3 years? The map below shows how each region voted in 2011. What has changed so much to remove all that yellow off the board? Fairbairn , we didnt get the media and political bombardment back then. i truly believe it worked to scare many people off the idea. my mum was having sleepless nights over the referendum and im sure voted no. she was terrfiied despite my efforts to calm her. its a disgraceful state of affairs and while yesterday was a blow scored for peaceful democracy the campaiging by better together was anything but fair and democratic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Friday funnies would be good I saw a good one a couple of days ago... 'TV in an independent Scotland' - every programme was Braveheart. Although on reflection, that's not much worse than the current reality of Great British Bake Off, British Sewing Bee, British Summer Holidays, I'm a British Get Me Out of Here, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 No need to apologise. Still trying to figure out how we all got it so wrong, and why our canvass returns were so out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
min Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I don't understand who we can go from and SNP Majority in 2011 to such a thumping in 2014. Given that the SNPs main policy was to push for the referendum and ultimately indy then surely by default all of those who voted them in as a majority government also supported this. Where have all those people went in 3 years? The map below shows how each region voted in 2011. What has changed so much to remove all that yellow off the board? The SNP vote in 2011 was 45% FPTP and 44% on the list. Identical to the YES vote yesterday. Due the higher turnout about 750k more voted YES than voted SNP in 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A country still in recession and a generation too soon ( ww2 ties) imo we were never going to get past the post unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 All bussed in? Democracy. No idea, but if a lot of the electorate weren't canvassed, then that possibly explains why predictions from canvassers were so wrong. I don't understand who we can go from and SNP Majority in 2011 to such a thumping in 2014. Given that the SNPs main policy was to push for the referendum and ultimately indy then surely by default all of those who voted them in as a majority government also supported this. Where have all those people went in 3 years? The map below shows how each region voted in 2011. What has changed so much to remove all that yellow off the board? I'm sure there are many that voted for the SNP as the best party for Scotland within the Union - although they would have no wish for Independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A country still in recession That is the big thing for me - too many people worried about being plunged back into financial chaos. It might still happen, but we're on our way out of it the way we're going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 800k voted for the 2011 SNP Government. 1.6 million voted Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Flure, no need to apologise, you have been an inspiration. Heid up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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