Grianaig Jacobite Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Haven't been on the board for quite some time, maybe 6 months or more, apart from the odd pop on around games. I voted No, in Fife. I only decided 2 weeks ago to vote No. The way I educated myself on the whole matter was influenced by Flure. A long time ago he pointed me in the direction of independent documents. I honestly can't remember exactly what it was, can can't be bothered looking. I listened to the arguments of both sides, then I went away and tried (didn't always succeed) to find out the truth, on my own. I have read many documents, I have watched many videos and clips of those that are considered experts, and I came to the conclusion that it was too much of a risk, for my kids. I dont trust Salmond, I equally don't trust Sturgeon, and I also appreciate the vote wasn't for them. However, they were the main spokes people for the Yes vote. I will add, I also don't trust Darling and what he had to say. But, I thought his argument was stronger. I had issues with the Yes campaign. I proved (to myself) that there were a lot of lies. Simple questions, weren't answered and were publicly and openly swerved, and I didn't like this. I wanted Salmond to point me in the right direction, SHOW me that it was possible, and he didn't. I wanted to vote Yes, and ended up voting No. I wanted independence. I still do. But only if it is possible, and IMO its not, at the moment. In terms of the OPs questions, no, I don't think Scotland is diminished. I think it is no different than it was last week, and my efforts will go into Devo Max now. Yes, there is obviously a danger that the promises from the English government won't be followed through, but, if this is the case, and I don't 'think' it will be, it opens up the whole issue again and who knows what will come of that. No, I think the Sottish government will get stronger, particularly after the mourning is complete. I suppose it does open the door for those that would like to punish us, for daring to hold a referendum, but if that does happen, again, Scotland will become even stronger and as above, who knows what will happen at that point. You can't have your cake and eat it. No, I don't feel our nation has been destroyed. But I also don't think it has been strengthened. Although contrary to that, maybe, it will speed up the process of more devo. Maybe. I suspect I will get a bit of hassle here, but you would be mistaking me for someone who gives a shit what you think, if you feel it necessary. YES I got that message when you said you voted NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think the image if Scotland has improved enormously as a result of the vote. The door open for increased devolution of powers. This will give a lot of empowerment to the people. Politics has changed forever. Eddard, if i didnt believe it before i do now - you really are deluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one t in scotland Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Time to means test prescriptions, higher education, OAP bus passes etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think the image if Scotland has improved enormously as a result of the vote. The door open for increased devolution of powers. This will give a lot of empowerment to the people. Politics has changed forever. Sorry, cant understand how you can think the image of Scotland has improved enormously. What has improved? Surely you can see we are a laughing stock, a nation too timid to take the choice to stand on our own. We no longer can have the pretence of a Country. We are a region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grianaig Jacobite Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think the image if Scotland has improved enormously as a result of the vote. The door open for increased devolution of powers. This will give a lot of empowerment to the people. Politics has changed forever. I sincerely hope you can still say that in 5 years time. I think as a nation we have shrunk in the eyes of the world. The only country in the world not to vote for its own independence, how embarrasing is that!! As for more devolved powers, the English MPs are already saying no way. But I will agree with one thing though politics in Scotland has changed forever. Traditional Labour supporters now see Labour in their true colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 My worry is the next Scottish elections. If Scottish Labour were to get in, they would work in collusion with Westminster to bring Holyrood back to the 'wee toon cooncil' parliament that it was under McConnell etc. If that were to happen I would be happy to join a significant number of the 1.6 million in marching down the Royal Mile... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think the image if Scotland has improved enormously as a result of the vote. The door open for increased devolution of powers. This will give a lot of empowerment of the people. Politics has changed forever. I love this bit. Said with no sense of irony at all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Well the elderly voted in large numbers for the union while the young new voters went the other way. There's a logic that says any austerity cuts resulting in funds being cut to Holyrood should be shouldered by the elderly first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 YES I got that message when you said you voted NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grianaig Jacobite Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Well the elderly voted in large numbers for the union while the young new voters went the other way. There's a logic that says any austerity cuts resulting in funds being cut to Holyrood should be shouldered by the elderly first. Agreed even though I will suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrystarfish Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 We are a laughing stock around the world. The jokes will only get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Agreed even though I will suffer.Seriously though, the older folks have received a lot over their lifetime-welfare state, pensions, nhs, free education. At this rate the kids won't have any of that so surely they should receive something from the system at least. We need to protect free higher education at a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 My worry is the next Scottish elections. If Scottish Labour were to get in, they would work in collusion with Westminster to bring Holyrood back to the 'wee toon cooncil' parliament that it was under McConnell etc. It's only under an SNP administration that the Scottish government has refused to be wee lapdogs, or an outpost of Westminster. It's vital that the SNP re-group and win the next Scottish elections. I honestly believe the SNP will walk the Scottish Elections again next time . Time to means test prescriptions, higher education, OAP bus passes etc. Yip 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It's still sinking in, the damage to Scotland's image and self image as a nation. To justify Scotland's 'nation' status just got harder. Next time a border guard says "You British?" it becomes harder to say "Scottish, actually" as they would say "Are you kidding?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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