fringo Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Fish refusing to be wrapped in The Sun newspaper http://newsthump.com/2016/04/27/fish-refusing-to-be-wrapped-in-the-sun-newspaper/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 1 hour ago, AberdeenAngus said: Read this brilliant article http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/26/hillsborough-disaster-deadly-mistakes-and-lies-that-lasted-decades?CMP=share_btn_tw Read that today. Very powerful piece. Also sorts of bad judegement all over the place including prior to the match itself. Some of the police actions post incident are very high level cvntery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Nope - and i agree apart from the Kelvin McKenzie comparison I may have got a bit carried away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 4 hours ago, AberdeenAngus said: Read this brilliant article http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/26/hillsborough-disaster-deadly-mistakes-and-lies-that-lasted-decades?CMP=share_btn_tw Fascinating stuff. Just 7 turnstiles for 10,100 fans! If you allow 5 seconds for each admission it would take 2 hours to get everyone into the ground! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Man I had never before seen the pictures of the people crushed against the fence, utterly horrific way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 A decent summary here... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35473732 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Reminded me of the Mina 'Stampede'. Apparently that is a misnomer. Progressive crowd collapse People density of 6-8 people per square meter in the Mina crush. Beyond horror. Never realized just how dangerous this phenomenon is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 28 minutes ago, thplinth said: Reminded me of the Mina 'Stampede'. Apparently that is a misnomer. Progressive crowd collapse People density of 6-8 people per square meter in the Mina crush. Beyond horror. Never realized just how dangerous this phenomenon is. 2177 people killed at the Hajj last year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Toepoke said: 2177 people killed at the Hajj last year! No matter where they were, these 2177 would all have died at that exact moment. Allah's will. It's a bit like a 'Final destination' for Moslems. Edited April 28, 2016 by Rossy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 2 hours ago, thplinth said: Reminded me of the Mina 'Stampede'. Apparently that is a misnomer. Progressive crowd collapse People density of 6-8 people per square meter in the Mina crush. Beyond horror. Never realized just how dangerous this phenomenon is. That's actually a decent read for describing that a crowd effectively behaves like a fluid. Similar effects are seen in heavy traffic too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Mark Steel puts the boot into the polis as you'd expect... http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillsborough-disaster-decision-police-incompetent-organised-lies-mark-steel-a7005036.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilser Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 This is worth a read too: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/mar/15/hillsborough-disaster-survivors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Jimmy McGovern's docu-drama was on stv last night. I had seen it before but worth a watch forvanyone that hasn't. The BBC are also showing a 2 hour documentary about it this coming Sunday at 9pm. I'm assuming it's the ESPN 30 for 30 one. Usually very well made, from the ones I've seen previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Where I have every sympathy for the families,it must be a relief to be finally getting answers,is there any need for them to be running out in front of football crowds clapping and cheering before Evertons match on Saturday. Just seems to be a little attention seeking now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 1 hour ago, dandydunn said: Where I have every sympathy for the families,it must be a relief to be finally getting answers,is there any need for them to be running out in front of football crowds clapping and cheering before Evertons match on Saturday. Just seems to be a little attention seeking now. I think everyone is different. I tend to agree that I wouldn't be comfortable doing that but at the same time I'm not sure I would call them attention seeking. Perhaps just a show of solidarity and thanks, as I think its something we can all relate to. Football fans used to be treated like animals back then and it was all o easy for the authorities to point the finger in their usual arrogance. So aye the families have got answers, but more than that it proves once and for all that the authorities have failed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 hours ago, dandydunn said: Where I have every sympathy for the families,it must be a relief to be finally getting answers,is there any need for them to be running out in front of football crowds clapping and cheering before Evertons match on Saturday. Just seems to be a little attention seeking now. It isn't over though, this is just the start for them. If it wasn't for their "attention seeking" the authorities would have got away with their cover up as planned. There will need to be a lot more "attention seeking" if there is to be any hope of prosecutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 3 hours ago, dandydunn said: Where I have every sympathy for the families,it must be a relief to be finally getting answers,is there any need for them to be running out in front of football crowds clapping and cheering before Evertons match on Saturday. Just seems to be a little attention seeking now. They felt a need for it. You might disagree. I have no opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Another article in the guardian. From a guy who survived the disaster. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/01/hillsborough-inquest-survivor-adrian-tempany?CMP=share_btn_tw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 On 02/05/2016 at 0:55 PM, Angus_Young said: Jimmy McGovern's docu-drama was on stv last night. I had seen it before but worth a watch forvanyone that hasn't. The BBC are also showing a 2 hour documentary about it this coming Sunday at 9pm. I'm assuming it's the ESPN 30 for 30 one. Usually very well made, from the ones I've seen previously. Wee reminder this is starting now on bbc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wembley67lisbon Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 This program is so harrowing hearing people's accounts of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Really tough watch. Felt sick for a while there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 I think what's more harrowing is what we all were led to believe happened by the media and the years we carried around those lies thinking it was the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 That was a tough watch. Infuriating at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, Angus_Young said: That was a tough watch. Infuriating at times. Watching it and feeling the rage rise inside me I could only feel even more respect for the families who fought all those years. Especially when I remember the terrible things I've read and heard over the years about the deaths and the people of Liverpool. They too must have heard these things yet stayed strong and carried on with the fight. Maybe in some way it made them more determined to clear their loved ones name. I hope they carry on fighting and go after the people in charge and the people who orchestrated the cover up, especially as they were still doing it even throughout this most recent inquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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