phart Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 The Assassination records review board found records showing that Oswald's file " OS-351-164" was under the control of Angleton's office from 1959 till 1963. It's in The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton Also seen Douglas Horne mention it who was on the ARRB as one of the lead investigators into releasing documents pertaining to the CIA. Too late to dig up the original files, i'll get a holf of them later. We're not going to solve it anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, phart said: The Assassination records review board found records showing that Oswald's file " OS-351-164" was under the control of Angleton's office from 1959 till 1963. It's in The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton Also seen Douglas Horne mention it who was on the ARRB as one of the lead investigators into releasing documents pertaining to the CIA. Too late to dig up the original files, i'll get a holf of them later. We're not going to solve it anyway You’re wasting your time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 5 hours ago, phart said: The Assassination records review board found records showing that Oswald's file " OS-351-164" was under the control of Angleton's office from 1959 till 1963. It's in The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton Also seen Douglas Horne mention it who was on the ARRB as one of the lead investigators into releasing documents pertaining to the CIA. Too late to dig up the original files, i'll get a holf of them later. We're not going to solve it anyway Of course it was - Oswald went to Russia in ....wait for it .....1959 It would have been more interesting if Angleton's office didnt have a file on Oswald As i said previously Angleton was obsessed with KGB infiltration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: As i said previously Angleton was obsessed with KGB infiltration And yet, couldn't spot it when it was right under his nose with Kim Philby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 41 minutes ago, aaid said: And yet, couldn't spot it when it was right under his nose with Kim Philby. But able to mastermind killing Kennedy using Oswald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I mean do any of the conspiracy theorists even consider how many people would have needed to be involved and the amount of forward planning in different organisations for all the stars to align the way they did for Oswald on that day ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 21 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: I mean do any of the conspiracy theorists even consider how many people would have needed to be involved and the amount of forward planning in different organisations for all the stars to align the way they did for Oswald on that day ... How many would need to be involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: How many would need to be involved? This will be the last time i respond to any of your posts as you have zilch to offer I say black, you say white is extremely boring Since you seem to want us to think you are a knowall on everything without sticking your neck out how about you take a guess Einstein Edited October 29, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: I mean do any of the conspiracy theorists even consider how many people would have needed to be involved and the amount of forward planning in different organisations for all the stars to align the way they did for Oswald on that day ... 2 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: This will be the last time i respond to any of your posts as you have zilch to offer I say black, you say white is extremely boring Since you seem to want us to think you are a knowall on everything without sticking your neck out how about you take a guess Einstein Classic response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 He never used him to kill kennedy,he was a singleton positioned to be the patsy. and i said he had control of the file not a file. To be fair this is excruciating to explain as we've not even got to anything resembling complexity and it's already like wading through mud to get us on the same page with a few simple concepts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 23 minutes ago, phart said: To be fair this is excruciating to explain Because you are talking shite ? Here's an idea How about going over to America and going public with your amazing conclusions that nobody else has ever thought about or investigated Clearly everyone thats ever looked into it is nowhere near as clever or knows as much as you You are wasted on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Because you are talking shite ? Here's an idea How about going over to America and going public with your amazing conclusions that nobody else has ever thought about or investigated Clearly everyone thats ever looked into it is nowhere near as clever or knows as much as you You are wasted on here Such passive aggression is amusing, although ultimately self reflecting. I've never said it was my unique Idea either these are all add ons again. The writing down of day-dreams or in more educated circles Straw-man fallacies. I stated i believe Oswald was a Singleton cause the ARRB (the board set up to release files) found out the fact that his file was held under Angleton's office. We have all the private notices to Angleton's aide as well. The irony isn't i think i'm cleverer than everyone else over it. It's that you judge yourself any way competent to view information impartially considering you're a nervous wreck when presented with information you don't like. Trying to get yourself banned, making up weird scenarios that only exist in your head, or refusing to interact with people (just look up page). These irrational behaviors dominate you when in discourse with someone you disagree with. Does that not worry you? More than someones else's opinion on the JFK assassination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 6 hours ago, aaid said: And yet, couldn't spot it when it was right under his nose with Kim Philby. Kim Philby was Angleton's mentor and friend from the early 40's. He hid in the blind spot, rightly or wrongly Angleton is a legend in counter-intelligence circles and it wasn't because of incompetence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 16 minutes ago, phart said: Such passive aggression is amusing, although ultimately self reflecting. I've never said it was my unique Idea either these are all add ons again. The writing down of day-dreams or in more educated circles Straw-man fallacies. I stated i believe Oswald was a Singleton cause the ARRB (the board set up to release files) found out the fact that his file was held under Angleton's office. We have all the private notices to Angleton's aide as well. The irony isn't i think i'm cleverer than everyone else over it. It's that you judge yourself any way competent to view information impartially considering you're a nervous wreck when presented with information you don't like. Trying to get yourself banned, making up weird scenarios that only exist in your head, or refusing to interact with people (just look up page). These irrational behaviors dominate you when in discourse with someone you disagree with. Does that not worry you? More than someones else's opinion on the JFK assassination? Methinks you doth protest too much What are "day dreams" or "straw man fallacies" if not shite ? Add ons ? Is that mixing and matching conspiracy theories like most of the 60% or so that believe it couldnt have been carried out by one man on his own whim ? Cheers for the advice anyway - i'll take it on board ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Because you are talking shite ? Here's an idea How about going over to America and going public with your amazing conclusions that nobody else has ever thought about or investigated Clearly everyone thats ever looked into it is nowhere near as clever or knows as much as you You are wasted on here 3 hours ago, phart said: Such passive aggression is amusing, although ultimately self reflecting. I've never said it was my unique Idea either these are all add ons again. The writing down of day-dreams or in more educated circles Straw-man fallacies. I stated i believe Oswald was a Singleton cause the ARRB (the board set up to release files) found out the fact that his file was held under Angleton's office. We have all the private notices to Angleton's aide as well. The irony isn't i think i'm cleverer than everyone else over it. It's that you judge yourself any way competent to view information impartially considering you're a nervous wreck when presented with information you don't like. Trying to get yourself banned, making up weird scenarios that only exist in your head, or refusing to interact with people (just look up page). These irrational behaviors dominate you when in discourse with someone you disagree with. Does that not worry you? More than someones else's opinion on the JFK assassination? That's not passive aggression. That's just someone saying you're talking shite and challenging your status as the cleverest person on the TAMB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Would be more interesting reading here on the New TAMB if folk would play the ball. Not taking sides here as I'm a keyboard wimp i.e. somebody just goanie tell me who did it?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: That's not passive aggression. That's just someone saying you're talking shite and challenging your status as the cleverest person on the TAMB. It wasnt aggression really - it was a response to posts by him and his cohort in a style that think they are way above everyone (well me in this case) and that what they know is either more than anyone else or that i am too stupid to comprehend it Maybe if they followed this up with why everyone else (me in this case) is so way off the mark i wouldnt have responded the way i did Just to reflect On 27/10/2017 at 10:54 PM, phart said: I'll leave you to write down your day-dreams of what the "conspiracy theorists think and do as a collective" On 28/10/2017 at 11:20 AM, ParisInAKilt said: How do you know what Oswald was or wasn’t? Nobody really does but this is suggesting i know nothing and havent read any of the profiles made of him 17 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: You’re wasting your time Translated - He is too stupid to understand - we know the real truth 9 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: How many would need to be involved? Sarcasm - clearly i was referring to a huge conspiracy involving the presidential staff, the secret service, the CIA, FBI and Dallas Police - housing Oswald in Dallas a year before the visit, getting him a job in the book depository, open top car, route etc etc 4 hours ago, phart said: He never used him to kill kennedy,he was a singleton positioned to be the patsy. and i said he had control of the file not a file. To be fair this is excruciating to explain as we've not even got to anything resembling complexity and it's already like wading through mud to get us on the same page with a few simple concepts. Should have made that clear when you initially offered your wisdom And again - excrutiating to explain as i couldnt possibly understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 You hadn't understood though, it's all fact based, not some nefarious speculation. I did make clear. Both who had control of the file The Assassination records review board found records showing that Oswald's file " OS-351-164" was under the control of Angleton's office from 1959 till 1963. It's in The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton Also seen Douglas Horne mention it who was on the ARRB as one of the lead investigators into releasing documents pertaining to the CIA. Too late to dig up the original files, i'll get a holf of them later. We're not going to solve it anyway and his role He wasn't a CIA Patsy he was a "singleton" of James Angleton. Both these posts pre-date the one above. Anyway not even discussing the actual case now, just trying to correct warped interpretations of posts and maudlin faux offense " how dare you say i can't understand, even though in this thread i've already established i didn't follow the conversation". As i sated above "We're not going to solve it anyway". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 57 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: That's not passive aggression. That's just someone saying you're talking shite and challenging your status as the cleverest person on the TAMB. I've offered multiple sources to reference my understanding. Can you point to who held file " OS-351-164" then from 1959 to 1963? Since you seem to be in agreement, or you just an empty vessel clanking in the thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Eisegerwind said: That's not passive aggression. That's just someone saying you're talking shite and challenging your status as the cleverest person on the TAMB. 13 minutes ago, phart said: I've offered multiple sources to reference my understanding. Can you point to who held file " OS-351-164" then from 1959 to 1963? Since you seem to be in agreement, or you just an empty vessel clanking in the thread? I've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and couldn't care less. My point was merely that you accused Ally Bongo of being 'passive aggressive' which he obviously wasn't as he was plainly 'actively aggrresive' (not in a bad way, just pursuing a point of view aggressively). Rather observant of me I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Just now, Eisegerwind said: I've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about Fair play for admitting it. Thank you for your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, phart said: I've offered multiple sources to reference my understanding. Can you point to who held file " OS-351-164" then from 1959 to 1963? Since you seem to be in agreement, or you just an empty vessel clanking in the thread? And again - what do you say to the point that it would be more surprising if Angleton did not have a, or the, file on Oswald. Angleton was the top spymaster concerned with KGB infiltration Angleton had Oswald's file since 1959 Oswald, an American citizen, went to Russia in 1959 The CIA and FBI lying about not knowing Oswald was as unbelievable in 1963 as it is now " We didn't really know much about this guy, he passed through and we weren't really paying attention'," Nobody ever believed they ignored him when he came back from Russia Bungling their intelligence and not preventing the assassination is one angle and the most plausable Organising the killing of Kennedy, by him or anyone else and framing him for it is another. However we are now in 2017 - science, physics and forensics have improved dramatically since 1963 The vast majority of conspiracy theories that have made a lot of people a lot of money have been exposed ..including that of Oswald being a patsy Depending of course what you take the meaning of patsy to be Edited October 29, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 17 minutes ago, phart said: Fair play for admitting it. Thank you for your point. No bother. There's a myriad of other stuff that I know fcuk all about as well, some of which I care about and some I don't. (Think that qualifies as passive aggressive). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 And the indictments start to come in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, aaid said: And the indictments start to come in... For split second i was thinking, WTF, then i remembered this is the Trump thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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