Dillinger Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Desperate for another bite at a yes vote, but starting to swither on my support for the SNP. Like a lot of what they stand for but have disagreed with a few things, starting to add up. I might vote Green next time out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 SNP need to maintain something close to the centre ground. It is the only way to win elections. It is also what has made them popular with the masses and the "party of Scotland". Their biggest danger right now is lack of competent opposition to keep them on their toes. Plus a unionist media who hate their guts and will crucify them at any opportunity until Labour are back in power. SNP simply cant win on an issue like fracking - for the simple reason that the potential revenue is huge.In someways they are stuck between rock and a hard place. Dammed if they do, damned if they don't. Can't keep all of the people happy all of the time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 p.s despite what they say Tories are no where the "centre" ground. Corbyn might seem more "radical" - but will never a UK election. Some of his policies when considered on their own are great - but would they work as a whole ?I think not... Near centre ground politics is the only way to run the country fairly without bankrupting the place. A sensible blend of socialism and capitalism - rather than lurching to extremes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Plus a unionist media who hate their guts and will crucify them at any opportunity until Labour are back in power. Did you see Scotland Tonight on STV last night? It was like an SNP fanzine show... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 The results of the Euro referendum are crucial. If there is a exit vote in rUK whilst Scotland votes to stay in I would say there is a legitimate requirement for another independence vote. In terms of being radical then increased tax raising powers will push the SNP govt further to the right in terms of economic policies. That is the way of the world. They will not push income tax up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 p.s despite what they say Tories are no where the "centre" ground. Corbyn might seem more "radical" - but will never a UK election. Some of his policies when considered on their own are great - but would they work as a whole ? I think not... Near centre ground politics is the only way to run the country fairly without bankrupting the place. A sensible blend of socialism and capitalism - rather than lurching to extremes. The centre is not an absolute concept though. The idea of publicly owned utilities and services is now considered radical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 The results of the Euro referendum are crucial. If there is a exit vote in rUK whilst Scotland votes to stay in I would say there is a legitimate requirement for another independence vote. In terms of being radical then increased tax raising powers will push the SNP govt further to the right in terms of economic policies. That is the way of the world. They will not push income tax up. There is no doubt in my mind that both the people of Scotland and the people of England will vote to stay in the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 The centre is not an absolute concept though. The idea of publicly owned utilities and services is now considered radical. Yip, the tory kunts are using austerity as a smoke screen for their political ideals. There is nothing radical about the swiss or german railways. Nor the norwegian oil fund. A healthy mix of socio capitalism is where we want to be. Corbyn trying to be more left that SNP is comical. Not least when his own party abstained from budget vote just 2 months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louch Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I'm with parklife on this one, just being the party who wants independence isn't enough. Snp could and should be doing more on core areas of health and education. Letting them slowly fail to then blame Westminster isn't the way to go to sustain support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggis_trap Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 ^ actually i think the opposite is true. Only by doing a good job in government at holyrod did the SNP get enough votes to even hold a referendum. The fact they got 50% at the last general elecrion but only 45% in the referendum suggest a group of people like them in government but dont want independence? This give SNP highest approval of any uk party. Of course the general election, unlike referendum, was not a 2 horse race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louch Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 HAve you seen the approval ratings on health and education? On a whole the party is very popular, but it's not doing the right things in government that it should. Being best of a bad bunch with very little credible completion up here isn't an excuse to rest on your laurels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I see the BBC reporting that the conference members voted against a motion to have an outright ban on fracking. There was no motion calling for a complete ban on fracking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 There was no motion calling for a complete ban on fracking. Doesn't stop the BBC reporting on it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 There was no motion calling for a complete ban on fracking.Which I assume the membership are furious about? Given the stick most of them (rightly) gave labour for not voting on trident... Nah, it's all okay. The cult members follow on unquestioningly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Which I assume the membership are furious about? Given the stick most of them (rightly) gave labour for not voting on trident... Nah, it's all okay. The cult members follow on unquestioningly. What's wrong with fracking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Which I assume the membership are furious about? Given the stick most of them (rightly) gave labour for not voting on trident... Nah, it's all okay. The cult members follow on unquestioningly. The "cult" insults are about three month's out of datenow. The current slander is about a one party state. You need to keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 The "cult" insults are about three month's out of datenow. The current slander is about a one party state. You need to keep up. Well done on deflecting the issue and avoiding responding to the point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Well done on deflecting the issue and avoiding responding to the point... You're the master of deflection. Anyway, a good explanation of what actually happened here. http://www.blog.foe-scotland.org.uk/index.php/2015/10/the-snp-conference-what-really-happened-on-fracking/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) You're the master of deflection. Anyway, a good explanation of what actually happened here. http://www.blog.foe-scotland.org.uk/index.php/2015/10/the-snp-conference-what-really-happened-on-fracking/ Yeah, so my initial comments were completely correct. Braw The SNP didn't have a vote on a ban on fracking. And all the cheerleaders on here (who were castigating labour) don't seem to care. Maybe you should spend less time making debates about me and more focussing on the actions of the SNP. Edited October 18, 2015 by Parklife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 What's wrong with fracking? The worst thing about (onshore) fracking is that it reduced the value of Brent crude. It also stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Aberdeen does not have a monopoly on the Scottish oil industry. Let the fracking begin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Do you see any inconsistency in calling a law suit against GCC for the devaluing of property in Govanhill and saying "let the fracking begin" when it will surely devalue masses of properties in areas where fracking is taking place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Usually having a booming new oil industry in your area drives up the price of property. I mean look at the ridiculous price of pokey wee houses in Aberdeen for example. Highest outside of London and this from a fishing village on (oily) steroids. But yes of course if it is done irresponsibly and it reduce the values of someone's house they should be able to claim for damages / compensation. Or not if you are the school that this just a risk you face when buying a property. Take your pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 The worst thing about (onshore) fracking is that it reduced the value of Brent crude. It also stinks. What's wrong with low oil prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 What's wrong with low oil prices? Means I have to last an extra 6 months before upgrading my Audi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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