TheBoysinGreen Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 My god lads have you given us a lifeline or what? At this moment in time it's a far cry from your optimism and us drowning our sorrows back in June. I'm interested to see how you think the group will finish. Personally I think we'll grab a play off by the skin of our teeth and you'll unfortunately miss out. If we beat Georgia on Monday and you lose to Germany it'll be the following: Poland - 17 pts Ireland - 15 pts Scotland - 11pts That leaves the game between you and Poland absolutely huge. Quite simply, a must not lose game for you lads. Lose and you've given us a play off spot with a game in hand. Even a draw will leave us going to Poland knowing a drab 0-0 draw would send us both home happy. If we somehow win in Warsaw we'd qualify automatically and the Poles would take the play off spot. If the bookies are right and the favourites win on Monday then October in Hampden will be do or die for the Tartan Army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Bizzarely, I think we will get a draw on Monday and win last two. That will give us 18 points. Unless you do something against the Germans who will be looking to win against you to gain qualification, with Poland needing a win against you due to us at that stage better on head to head, think they will beat you. Unfortunately meaning you miss out (would take you there ahead of your Northern cousins in a heart beat). We will end up in a play off probably against Holland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Fair dues, Greenie, you are a good lad, and a nice guy, I'm happy for you, but obviously gutted at our weakness, - and guess you'll be jumping after our diaster showing. I'll go for Ireland 2 Georgia 0 Poland 5 Gibraltar 0 Scotland 0 Germany 2 Scotland 1 Poland 1 Ireland 0 Germany 2 Georgia 3 Gibraltar 0 Poland 1 Ireland 1 Gibralar 0 Scotland 3 Germany 2 Georgia 1 I think that would put Germany 25 Poland 22 Ireland 16 Scotland 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Personally I think we will grab 3rd spot and you will miss out by the skin of your teeth, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannannan Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 If Georgia play like tonight i'd expect them to take a point from Ireland who are at least as bad as us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveheartGordon Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I'm very far from caring tonight, players and management chucked it now, will probably put in some heroic effort now to finish 3rd after drawing with or beating Germany and lose the play-offs on away goals with everyone saying what a ''brave'' effort it was. In which case in my mind they'll still be failures because they didn't achieve the aim we set out at the start of the campaign, we failed tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 To be honest TheBoysInGreen I feel a bit of apathy towards the rest of the campaign right now. Prior to tonight I would be adamant in saying we merit a play-off spot over you due to our head-to-head results but after our disastrous showing in Georgia tonight I cannot deny the feeling that we don't deserve to qualify after that crap. We shall see how the rest of the group goes but for us I would say seven points out of nine are must but right now I cannot see where four of those seven points are going to come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Agree Poland at Hampden is a must win for us now, that would probably be enough for 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Tide_Rising Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Ah here lads....there is still a long way to go in the group. Bad night for Scotland. .....but things can change. We (ireland ) still have a lot to do. One bad night T.A does not make a bad team. Ye are a good team. ...and ye have had a good campaign up until tonight Edited September 4, 2015 by Green_Tide_Rising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 even scraping through now via play offs ; blind faith aside , would you be happy with that gash showing up on the world (okay euro) stage i'd rather give a place to someone who deserves it - if you struggle to beat teams like Georgia (and we have for donkeys years) then should be no excuses - if we get the points v Germany & Poland though ; game on again - although at moment i would struggle to see us beating Gibraltar away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggycoo Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Don't worry, the Georgia team that shows up on Monday night will be back to their honking self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmondo Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Have we had a good campaign though?? It's been ok but not good. Too many average performances now. We won't take anything from Germany, we'll be lucky to take a point from Poland on evidence of our recent performances. We look to be heading for 15 points at best....I could be wrong.....but if so then its not good enough and let's be honest all of our previous managers would have gotten us 4th place. Apparently we are making progress yet all the other home nations look to be going to France and we aren't. Pure utter rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Apparently we are making progress yet all the other home nations look to be going to France and we aren't. Pure utter rubbish. What is this obsession (all of a sudden) with what the other home nations are doing? They are in different groups to ours and they are perhaps going to qualify as they can get wins in Cyprus and the Faroe Islands whilst we get beat in Georgia. It isn't rocket science I am afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezmondo Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) What is this obsession (all of a sudden) with what the other home nations are doing? They are in different groups to ours and they are perhaps going to qualify as they can get wins in Cyprus and the Faroe Islands whilst we get beat in Georgia. It isn't rocket science I am afraid. Obsession?? Dont think so. Pointing out its hard to say we've made progress if we finish 4th and that it will be galling to watch these other teams at the Euros next year if we are not there. Thanks for breaking it down for me though, really helped. ? Edited September 4, 2015 by dezmondo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublin Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Whichever of us make the playoffs will lose, in my opinion. Two average teams that won't be seeded. In the past Scotland have seemed to be more unlucky with play off draws, getting the Netherlands and England,while Ireland got teams like Iran and Estonia. But that's because Ireland were seeded then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Obsession?? Dont think so. Pointing out its hard to say we've made progress if we finish 4th and that it will be galling to watch these other teams at the Euros next year if we are not there. Thanks for breaking it down for me though, really helped. Not specifically you but posts littered over the forum about this issue. Fact is they merit their places and we don't if we are getting beaten by the likes of Georgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auchinyell Sox Change Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Whichever of us make the playoffs will lose, in my opinion. Two average teams that won't be seeded. In the past Scotland have seemed to be more unlucky with play off draws, getting the Netherlands and England,while Ireland got teams like Iran and Estonia. But that's because Ireland were seeded then. You also played Holland at Anfield 0-2 in first ever ? One off play-off I recall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Tonight was all about the result. Frankly the performance didn't matter as long as we won. As the game wore on it became about getting something. On all counts we completely failed. It was atrocious and indeed despite previous horror shows this could potentially be one of the most disastrous and far reaching defeats in a long time. England will win the World Cup Qualifying group leaving us in the far more difficult (than the Euro's) play off scenario given how that works. We would therefore in all likelihood be staring at a further 4 year cycle before the Euro's come around again and a minimum of 22 years in the championship wilderness. We had done a more than solid job in the group up until tonight but we played with no desire or passion or intensity and zero intelligence all over the park culminating in a horrific defeat. How we let that rank poor team actually beat us (0-0 should have been the absolute worse case scenario) is beyond me. Baffling that Strachan stuck with Fletcher so long given his pathetic contribution when Thumbelina who has been on fire for Celtic sat on the bench. Just bizarre. It was brutal to watch as our qualification slipped away. And yet.........I've always had a feeling that we will summon a performance and beat Poland at Hamden which would almost definitely mean we finish 3rd and a play off place. It's Scotland we are talking about here and let's face it nothing was ever going to be straightforward and come easy. If there's away to put us all through the ringer we will manage it! My prediction is defeat on Monday then 2 wins seeing us into the play offs! Edited September 4, 2015 by Hendricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublin Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) You also played Holland at Anfield 0-2 in first ever ? One off play-off I recall Yes, also Turkey, Belgium and France. Play-off specialists Edited September 4, 2015 by Dublin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Tide_Rising Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Whichever of us make the playoffs will lose, in my opinion. Two average teams that won't be seeded. In the past Scotland have seemed to be more unlucky with play off draws, getting the Netherlands and England,while Ireland got teams like Iran and Estonia. But that's because Ireland were seeded then. In playoffs ...Ireland have also gotten Spain Holland turkey and France. ..do some research! !! Scots fans long way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublin Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 In playoffs ...Ireland have also gotten Spain Holland turkey and France. ..do some research! !! Scots fans long way to go I wasn't listing all the teams Ireland got in the play-offs, just the best examples. I also listed most of those in the follow up post you seem to have missed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) I wasn't listing all the teams Ireland got in the play-offs, just the best examples. I also listed most of those in the follow up post you seem to have missed! Apologies massively off-topic, I mind the Iran playoff. That keeper was hilarious - rolling around after 25 mins for the draw. PS Not big Shay! The Iranian one. Edited September 4, 2015 by weekevie04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Tide_Rising Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I wasn't listing all the teams Ireland got in the play-offs, just the best examples. I also listed most of those in the follow up post you seem to have missed! Fair enough. ..apologies Pretty shocked by some of the T.A. reaction to their result tonight.... Yes we are back in it....but Scotland are far from out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dublin Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Fair enough. ..apologies Pretty shocked by some of the T.A. reaction to their result tonight.... Yes we are back in it....but Scotland are far from out of it No worries mate, it's late at night And yes I agree, the Germans get clinical at this stage of the group,but everything is still possible for the other three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 We are done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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