deecie Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 I'd imagine teams who are not involved would be quite happy to make a skin off it! Probably why it got voted through. God bless Aberdeen FC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 Rangers should be commended for what they are doing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 You lot feeling OK? You seem to be saying almost nice things about Rangers! I'm slightly worried The hüns have a point. We're not going to gloss over opinions because they don't suit our normal stance... It's not politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ANDYP Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 If the money never went into a pot and the home club kept the gate money there's not a hope in hell that rangers would let season tickets in for hee haw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Rangers have a point here, if anything this should be another reason for clubs to get together and sack Doncaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khana Lagur Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I think Rangers actually have two points It's in their interest to allow season ticket holders in for free. So they are correct and justified on that point. But I can't help feel they are airing a grievance in trying to limit the cash that goes to the other league clubs/SPFL - many of whom they feel are/were against them in their recent issues. If they do feel that way, then - rightly or wrongly - it's probably justified as well. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langtonian Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) If the money never went into a pot and the home club kept the gate money there's not a hope in hell that rangers would let season tickets in for hee haw. exactly,it's Rangers trying to be ersey,basically we are Rangers we,ll do what we want much like not paying hmrc and creditors Edited April 30, 2015 by Langtonian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 How many season tickets holders are there... I thought there was a boycott this year.. So 30,000 season tickets? that leave 20000 seats at full price for others which is more than a usual play off game .. So allow them to do it, change rules for next time and both sides win... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 How many season tickets holders are there... I thought there was a boycott this year.. So 30,000 season tickets? that leave 20000 seats at full price for others which is more than a usual play off game .. So allow them to do it, change rules for next time and both sides win... I'm not sure there's even 30,000 STs. Doubt you'd get a full house anyway until/if we make the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 I'm not sure there's even 30,000 STs. Doubt you'd get a full house anyway until/if we make the final. WOW, u serious Mr Blue.. thats quite a poor indictment , The team need your support here,,, have the crowds returned since Mc Call took over. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRBear Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 No Rangers fan will struggle to get tix for the play-offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 No Rangers fan will struggle to get tix for the play-offs If you get to the final, motherwell will probably give you an allocation of 6000. Not sure if we're being boycotted though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 If you get to the final, motherwell will probably give you an allocation of 6000. Really? That's an embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Really? That's an embarrassment. I'd imagine so. We normally give them and celtic 4,500 which is the usual away end, plus the wings of the main stand which will be another 1,500 or so. Financially motherwell have missed Rangers, your looking at 10,000 extra bums on seats in an average season, with Rangers bringing 5000+ twice, and most other teams bringing less than 1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I'd imagine so. We normally give them and celtic 4,500 which is the usual away end, plus the wings of the main stand which will be another 1,500 or so. Financially motherwell have missed Rangers, your looking at 10,000 extra bums on seats in an average season, with Rangers bringing 5000+ twice, and most other teams bringing less than 1000. Increasing your chances of getting relegated for £100k? That'd about sum up Motherwell for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Increasing your chances of getting relegated for £100k? That'd about sum up Motherwell for me. Best result for the bean counters is probably to lose to QoTS in a play off. Kidding aside, we might just give them the south stand? I think that's what the fans would prefer? Is it being presumptious that the Rangers fans would even take up the hypothetical allocation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At U Peter Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 You'd hope that the Motherwell fans would turn out in good numbers and restrict them to the south stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Best result for the bean counters is probably to lose to QoTS in a play off. Kidding aside, we might just give them the south stand? I think that's what the fans would prefer? Is it being presumptious that the Rangers fans would even take up the hypothetical allocation? It's being presumptuous that we will get to the final imo. Hypothetically I think we would sell it out but I doubt there would be a mad scramble for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Totally at it if you ask me, but who cares. its good for the fans so just let it go. need to get passed the animosity - let them get on with it and as i say if the supporters benefit then thats good. ] if its a problem then change/clarify the rules for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANDABBYDOZZY Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 rangers are right & the other teams involved should've backed them straight away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 It's a rare occasion that most folk agree with Rangers stance. Like Shed I do have suspicions on their motives, as I do motherwell and Hibs. Probably the right decision, but quite possibly underneath the PR it's not for the right reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark frae Crieff Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 The question is did they take their cut from last years playoffs pay outs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TA Footsoldier Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 The Scottish Professional Football League will REFUSE to let Rangers to allow their season ticket holders in for free to the Premiership play-offs. STV understands the league's board have taken the stance that the clubs must abide by rules, which the SPFL believes prevents free admission being given. It is believed the board also canvassed the opinion from other member clubs before arriving at their decision. The decision leaves Rangers and Motherwell, who have also publicly stated their wish to allow free entry if they finish 11th in the Premiership, with a decision over whether to press ahead and subsequently be in breach of the regulations. If a rule breach can be proved, clubs can face any number of sanctions. That includes a financial sanction, which would seem the most likely given the SPFL would stand to lose out on cash if season ticket holders are granted free admission. The row stems from rule C26 of the league's regulations. It states that clubs must give 50% of the gross proceeds from gate receipts to the SPFL by means of a levy, with all sums "paid or payable" to be directed to the league. STV spoke to a sports lawyer this week who says he can see a legitimate case for both sides of the argument, but warned he could see no explicit rule which forbids clubs from giving out free entry to season ticket holders. Neeraj Thomas from Burness Paull LLP said: "I think the SPFL are basing their argument on rule C26, which basically states that money "paid or payable" for play-off matches. On that money should be a 50% levy paid to the SPFL as an organisation. "There's a counter-argument to that in that there isn't a clear rule which says you can't let in fans for free for these play-off matches. So I think that's probably where the tension is coming at the moment. "The fact they do mention 'or payable' I think is what the SPFL are going to hang their hat on and say whether the money is paid or not is really relevant. The fact is the money is 'payable', so it is due. "So if Rangers or any other clubs don't want to charge their fans for that, the money is [still] payable so it should be paid by the clubs to the SPFL in lieu of the fans not actually paying their own admission fee. "The clubs are saying if there's no actual rule saying we have to charge season ticket holders into these play-off matches, then they are obviously saying they are free to do what they want. "But it is clear there is some ambiguity about what rules apply and how those rules are going to be interpreted. "It is very difficult. It does purely come down to interpretation of rule C26. The club view would be that the money hasn't been paid, therefore they are free to not charge their season ticket holders into this match. There is not a specific rule which says they have to." It remains to be seen whether the clubs will now press ahead with their plans. The clubs' plans Earlier this week, Rangers outlined their "intention" to let season ticket holders in for free to all play-off home matches. "The club believes supporters who bought tickets for the entire season should not be asked to pay more," they said. "It is fundamentally wrong to ask supporters to pay for season tickets and then, at the end of the campaign, expect them to pay again to watch what will now be the most important matches of that same season." Motherwell have said they will let season ticket holders in for free for their home match if they finish in the 11th position in the Premiership. Hibernian are yet to publicly state their intentions, while Queen of the South say finances mean they will have to charge their season ticket holders for entry. The Hibernian precedent The SPFL didn't rule Hibs to be in breach of league rules last season when they let in season ticket holders for free to their play-off final match with Hamilton Academical. Sports lawyer Thomas believes this could lead to conflict. "The Hibs issue definitely has caused a significant problem for the SPFL," he said. "When it comes to the enforcement of these rules, they have to be enforced consistently. "In a situation where it is all a bit vague what happened with Hibs last year, but it seems to be the position that they didn't charge their season ticket holders for entry into the play-off matches. However that was decided, it was the decision was made they didn't have to charge their fans for that match. "The problem now for the SPFL comes when they insist other clubs have to charge their season ticket holders for that match. "The other clubs will obviously say 'what about Hibs last year? They didn't charge their season ticket holders, why is it we are having to charge our season ticket holders now?'". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langtonian Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 if they still go ahead SPFL can just deduct any money they are due from league placings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Col Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 all the clubs knew the rules at the start of the season. I also see McCall's complaining about bookings being carried over to the play offs. Can't have it both ways.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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