Scunnered Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Aryshire North & Arran (LAB) - 5.9% (SNP gain) Not a chance As much as I'd like to see Labour ousted from Scotland completely, I can't see Katy losing her seat. She holds just short of a 10k majority and chances are the SNP will put forward Patricia Gibson... Extending Katy's majority to 15k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigna Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 East Kilbride, etc. (LAB) - -27.1% (LAB hold) Would love to see the good people of EK overturn this...he seems to be in a wee bit of bother at the moment. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/east-kilbride-mp-michael-mccann-4400390 http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/labour-mp-charged-over-yes-schoolboy-leaflet-row-1-3565130 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Aryshire North & Arran (LAB) - 5.9% (SNP gain) Not a chance As much as I'd like to see Labour ousted from Scotland completely, I can't see Katy losing her seat. She holds just short of a 10k majority and chances are the SNP will put forward Patricia Gibson... Extending Katy's majority to 15k. It might be in jeopardy though if there is any truth in the rumour that she spent the referendum campaign phoning pensioners in her constituency to tell them that they might lose their pension in the event of a Yes vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Aryshire North & Arran (LAB) - 5.9% (SNP gain) Not a chance As much as I'd like to see Labour ousted from Scotland completely, I can't see Katy losing her seat. She holds just short of a 10k majority and chances are the SNP will put forward Patricia Gibson... Extending Katy's majority to 15k. It's not my prediction, it's the website's. Chance of winning: SNP - 51.1% LAB - 45.2% CON - 3.7% LIB - 0.0% UKIP - 0.0% Others - 5.9% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 It might be in jeopardy though if there is any truth in the rumour that she spent the referendum campaign phoning pensioners in her constituency to tell them that they might lose their pension in the event of a Yes vote. I've not heard that one. I'd be wary of any rumours coming from my fellow 45% given that some of them are still slavering at the mouth over a rigged count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I would be interested to see your logic behind that one. I don't think I could ever vote SNP again if they did that. No logic at all, just joking. It would just be hilarious if SNP held the balance of power in any way at Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHTOWER 1314 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) I'd like to see them be the 3rd party at Westminster and form a coalition government with the Tories. Are you on the wind up as theres no way the snp would go in with the tories as they would lose everything they have worked for if they did. Edited October 9, 2014 by HIGHTOWER 1314 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Cllr Christopher McEleny Opposition view - Today in Inverclyde: As you'll know Labour no longer have a majority. This means that various positions were required to be changed. A key outside body Riverside Inverclydes membership was discussed. I put forward that an SNP member join this body which had been reported as failing in the past. Despite the Tories having only 1 councillor in Inverclyde and the fact the SNP are the largest minority group I was bitterly disappointed that Labour voted to have the solitary Tory join them on the board instead of the SNP. Labour and the Tories voting together again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 No logic at all, just joking. It would just be hilarious if SNP held the balance of power in any way at Westminster. Aye that would be good but there is a huge difference between holding the balance of power and joining the Tories in a coalition. That would just be mental and not funny in the slightest. Having said that, I do understand that some folk have got a really weird sense of humour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) I think we need a platform. One we all can trust . One that is transparent and not for profit. A place where politics is the point, not some sniffed at subject folk turn their wee bluenoses up at. Take the politics out of this board and it will be a shell. Go on, take it out. Edited October 9, 2014 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 In Canada before the second Quebec referendum, the Bloc Quebecois were the official opposition. It's impossible for the SNP to finish second though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Perfect partners for a velvet divorce. Do a deal, give the Eng Nats what they want, bye-by Labour. Andra Neil just suggested similar on This Week. Maybe he reads the TAMB?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I'm voting Tory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Andra Neil just suggested similar on This Week. Maybe he reads the TAMB?... Maybe he posts on it too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamrough Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Been reading all the pessimism on here as to how the labour vote will still happen in the general election. Having worked, been a shop steward and still a trade unionist in glasgow which is tradional ' monkey wi a red rosette' country i have the following comment to make. the conversations i have born witness to over the last 18-24 months are as follows:- ' Alex Salmond addressed our conference today, had he been a labour candidate he would have been given a standing ovation' - ' its got to be a yes if for nothing else you could stick a rizla in between labour and the tories' - ' Red Blue both Tories' - ' Labour are finished in Scotland' Might only be small snippets of conversation, however 2 of the above comments were made by a regional organiser of a trade union and a branch secretary of the same trade union, the others are made by normal working class guys in canteen conversation. My big point being - these conversations and statements would have been tantamount to blasphemy even as recently as 5 years ago, if labour aren't finished at the very least they are about to get a good kicking next may, in my opinion hearing what i hear , normal working class people are now sick of the 'new' tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I'm voting Tory Fair play. I wonder how many other former SNP voters will be voting for someone else now the referendum has been. Voting for the SNP is actually not helping them anymore. Too little too late now. Who cares is the strategy for 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) I think a lot of people now and in increasing numbers will find themselves asking "what is the point of the SNP now?" It is a question the SNP need to ask themselves now and come up with the one and only answer possible. Or give it up and disband. edit: if the SNP did not field a single candidate in the GE or SE next time that would suit me just fine. Edited October 10, 2014 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Are the daily record positioning themselve before the election, maybe trying to stop disillusioned labour members from jumping over to the snp, thats what i take from this headline yes there are some awful expenses placed by snp members but it is a small drop in the ocean compared to others parties, had salmond had the highest expenses it would have been a headline in that paper http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-backbencher-richard-lyle-billed-4411584 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The Record doesn't need much repositioning to launch an attack on the SNP!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_fadiator Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I think a lot of people now and in increasing numbers will find themselves asking "what is the point of the SNP now?" It is a question the SNP need to ask themselves now and come up with the one and only answer possible. Or give it up and disband. edit: if the SNP did not field a single candidate in the GE or SE next time that would suit me just fine. Disagree. The SNP have never been in a better position. A record number of the electorate support independence, membership's soared, and they've temporarily repositioned themselves as the vow/home rule police to take the moral high ground. They have all the momentum to in time go for independence again. If it'd been a 'yes' it would've been more difficult for the SNP over time as internal discipline may have broken down and factions emerged, with some aligning themselves with other parties. Should say I'm not a member of the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Disagree. The SNP have never been in a better position. A record number of the electorate support independence, membership's soared, and they've temporarily repositioned themselves as the vow/home rule police to take the moral high ground. They have all the momentum to in time go for independence again. If it'd been a 'yes' it would've been more difficult for the SNP over time as internal discipline may have broken down and factions emerged, with some aligning themselves with other parties. Should say I'm not a member of the party. Hmmmmm....it feels a bit like being all dressed up but with nowhere to go but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoltanBuchan Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 If it'd been a 'yes' it would've been more difficult for the SNP over time as internal discipline may have broken down and factions emerged, with some aligning themselves with other parties. I'm constantly amazed at how well SNP party discipline holds up, considering how it is ( and I'm over-generalsing here, obviously) a single issue party, which will inevitably attract people with vastly differing views on issues other than independence. OK, so there was a tiny schism over NATO-membership, for example, but they do a surprisingly tight job of maintaining a united front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I'm constantly amazed at how well SNP party discipline holds up, considering how it is ( and I'm over-generalsing here, obviously) a single issue party, which will inevitably attract people with vastly differing views on issues other than independence. OK, so there was a tiny schism over NATO-membership, for example, but they do a surprisingly tight job of maintaining a united front. Therein lies the problem Zoltan. It was the great goal of self governance that kept that discipline. Everyone was willing to subordinate their differing views to achieve it. But now and for a good while at least that shared goal has been snuffed out. This is why I see no advantage to being in power for a while at least. Let the voters taste the oppositions delights for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Hmmmmm....it feels a bit like being all dressed up but with nowhere to go but. It's a tough one. But you can be sure that if the SNP retreat and give up, they are definitely beat. Sometimes the the side that holds their ground even if they they lost,wins out in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Bob Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Just think though how much the BBC would hate UKIP if their name was United Kingdom National Party. Might be worth the SNP changing their name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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