vanderark14 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Scotland Ever More said: Greg Taylor's club isn't playing in Europe. so? thats not the point and you know it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Scotland Ever More said: Greg Taylor's club isn't playing in Europe. Greg Taylor will be playing in Toulon longer than the full squad will be away in Mexico. He'll also be playing league cup games from 14th July, which Celtic don't have as they are in Europe. So in summary, he'll probably be back in pre season exactly the same time as any Celtic player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 13 hours ago, Toepoke said: Call me old fashioned but I'd jump at the chance of playing for Scotland in the Azteca stadium. Amen to that. I remember Berti's tour to HK etc, McFadden getting left behind but probably helped his overall development and hopefully will be the same for those who take their chance in the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4oyarder Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I'm normally one to get annoyed at players pulling out of squads on a whim, but in this case, I can very much see their point of view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, ONeils4oyarder said: I'm normally one to get annoyed at players pulling out of squads on a whim, but in this case, I can very much see their point of view I don’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotland Ever More Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, vanderark14 said: I never said you chose celtic over scotland but its clear you are taking the stance that celtic have because its your club. Lets look at the facts - there are players who will be in europe next season who are going over to Mexico so my idea of the modern players can't be that wrong Wrong again. I can understand why players from any of our European representatives wouldn't travel. Aberdeen Hibs/Motherwell and (most definitely) Rangers aren't my club. Especially players who have already featured for the national side and have shown what they can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab The Crab Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, ProudScot said: I don’t. Same here, it’s 2 opportunities to put yourself in with a shout of a starting place in the Nations Cup games, pity about Fraser but it may be enough for the coaching staff to give up on Ritchie as the majority of the fans have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, Scotland Ever More said: Wrong again. I can understand why players from any of our European representatives wouldn't travel. Aberdeen Hibs/Motherwell and (most definitely) Rangers aren't my club. Especially players who have already featured for the national side and have shown what they can do. We will have to agree to disagree, you’re posts about Scotland always seem to be Celtic orientated and I don’t think your stance Is a coincidence. You’re clutching at straws with your argument about needing time off and now you’ve change tactic to “we know what they can do”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotland Ever More Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, vanderark14 said: We will have to agree to disagree, you’re posts about Scotland always seem to be Celtic orientated and I don’t think your stance Is a coincidence. You’re clutching at straws with your argument about needing time off and now you’ve change tactic to “we know what they can do”. I'm not changing my stance about anything, Both are valid reasons not to attend two pointless friendlies, regardless of who they play for. The problem with folks like you is that you can't accept other might see things differently so you accuse them of club bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Scotland Ever More said: I'm not changing my stance about anything, Both are valid reasons not to attend two pointless friendlies, regardless of who they play for. The problem with folks like you is that you can't accept other might see things differently so you accuse them of club bias. everyone is entitled to an opinion, even you 👍I just don’t agree with you. These matches are not pointless and you saying so is proving my point. Players and fans see it as pointless when it should be seen as an opportunity. That’s the tragic part here. you can argue all day about whether the matches should have been arranged but they are being played and therefore should be treated with respect, especially considering there will be fans paying small fortunes to go but most importantly to gel together and create that togetherness we’ve been missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotland Ever More Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, vanderark14 said: everyone is entitled to an opinion, even you 👍I just don’t agree with you. These matches are not pointless and you saying so is proving my point. Players and fans see it as pointless when it should be seen as an opportunity. That’s the tragic part here. you can argue all day about whether the matches should have been arranged but they are being played and therefore should be treated with respect, especially considering there will be fans paying small fortunes to go but most importantly to gel together and create that togetherness we’ve been missing. In an ideal world yes I would agree, but as I said earlier, yours is just a romantic notion and not reality. Which is what makes them pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Just now, Scotland Ever More said: In an ideal world yes I would agree, but as I said earlier, yours is just a romantic notion and not reality. Which is what makes them pointless You keep proving my point, thanks. it should be drilled into our players that these matches are important, the problem is the self interest of the clubs and this new modern notions that the players will be too tired. Giving certain players at certain clubs time off can cause divisions too so this method has no benefit, it feeds the notion that Scotland isn’t important and makes players think they can come and go as they please. No club or players should be given different treatment. its not a romantic notion to expect Scotland players to show commitment to the cause. If it’s now classed as a romantic notion to expect this, we would better shutting the door now and forming team GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4oyarder Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, ProudScot said: I don’t. You must be a prouder Scot than I am... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Ryan Fraser...... a serial sicknote for Scotland. Where are all the shepherds questioning his commitment to the cause? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Just now, slasher said: Ryan Fraser...... a serial sicknote for Scotland. Where are all the shepherds questioning his commitment to the cause? 🤔 He's from Aberdeen, probably voted no too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Just now, Squirrelhumper said: He's from Aberdeen, probably voted no too. I can’t see slashers posts unless someone quotes him so thanks. I see he’s still all about club alliegances when it comes to Scotland. Nice whataboutery from him to deflect. regarding Fraser, as with all Scotland players I’d like to think he is genuinely injured, if he’s not he’s not welcome back in my opinion. Do we know why he pulled out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: I can’t see slashers posts unless someone quotes him so thanks. I see he’s still all about club alliegances when it comes to Scotland. Nice whataboutery from him to deflect. regarding Fraser, as with all Scotland players I’d like to think he is genuinely injured, if he’s not he’s not welcome back in my opinion. Do we know why he pulled out? Unlike Douglas & Ritchie, there's been no reason given for Fraser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Squirrelhumper said: Unlike Douglas & Ritchie, there's been no reason given for Fraser. In that case, its Strange that so many jump on Ritchie's back but not Fraser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 And there you have it..... vanderwank who just wants the best for Scotland players, although that doesn't extend to Celtic players getting Champions League experience 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jailender Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Cadden added to squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwayInAManger Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) On 5/14/2018 at 2:28 PM, wanderer said: Interesting squad, with a number of players rested, or not yet called upon by Eck. Only thing, I have got a horrible feeling we are going to get a absolute doing over these two games, as it does not look like a squad that can go toe to toe with a team going to the WC..... Michael O'Neill took over the NI job six years ago (approx) and his first campaign, qualification for WC2014, was very difficult, to say the least. (The performances weren't so bad, but the results were terrible). Anyway, he took them to a two match tour of South America in summer 2014, where they played Uruguay and Chile. A very sparse/weakened team ground out two narrow defeats, and seemed to have taken great heart from the trip, with several new players emerging to form part of the team which went on to perform excellently for the following two campaigns (Euro2016 qualification, and WC2018 Play-Offs). O'Neill often talks about how much he, his staff and the players got out of that trip, both in building morale and also in his getting his ideas across. And only the other day, he repeated this message in the context of Scotland's forthcoming tour: "Some of the reaction initially to the [Scotland] tour was poor. I think it's important the clubs try and support the national team. "For instance we (Northern Ireland) are going to Panama and Costa Rica. Four years ago we went to Uruguay and Chile. "One of the big things as an international team manager is when you're in a double header in qualification, it's so intense. This is a different environment, it's an easier environment if you're going to bring young players in. It's invaluable. "It is always different when you play international football and you can only benefit." https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44116957 Edited May 17, 2018 by AwayInAManger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Rampant Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Allan McGregor pulled out now, Scott Bain in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Lion Rampant said: Allan McGregor pulled out now, Scott Bain in. Saw McRrorie is out the 21s too. Natural order resumed at Ibrox it seems when it comes to call offs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said: Saw McRrorie is out the 21s too. Natural order resumed at Ibrox it seems when it comes to call offs! To be fair McCrorie is actually injured. unsure on McGregor - better to give those 3 keepers experience anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Completely pointless trip, where we will learn nothing. Be as well cancelling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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