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1 minute ago, Toepoke said:

Orban will romp it. For a former socialist country Hungarians are a very conservative electorate.

 

I don't think them being a socialist republic for 45 years or so was through choice.  Part of the Axis powers in WW2 which is always telling.

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47 minutes ago, aaid said:

I don't think them being a socialist republic for 45 years or so was through choice.  Part of the Axis powers in WW2 which is always telling.

Many Hungarians do seem to have an imperialist mindset, or at least a desire to get their country back to the size it was 100 years ago.

 

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32 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Many Hungarians do seem to have an imperialist mindset, or at least a desire to get their country back to the size it was 100 years ago.

 

Reminds me of the - probably apocryphal - story of someone who asked the exiled heir to the Habsburg empire, did you see the Austria Hungary football match last night.  The reply was "No, who were we playing?"

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One of my best friends is a young outward looking, well travelled guy from outside Budapest.  He votes for Orban which i could not believe.

i think they genuinely are scared of what they see in parts of France, Belgium and the UK.  They don't think the governments here asked anyone if they wanted areas of their country to culturally change over such a short time.  And Orban is saying he's giving them the choice.  They saw literally hundreds of thousands of people going through their country (mostly men) to Austria and Germany and are worried they'll have them sent back to them.

it's probably largely overplayed as few of these immigrants want to settle in Hungary.  I saw what i thought was quite a patronising article on the BBC about the Hungarian town with no immigrants fearful of immigrants.  The point is they want the cultural demographics to stay the way it is.   

 

 

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Many of those who critise immigration in Hungary are more than happy to go work in another EU member state. Same situation in the other 'Visegrád' countries too. Quite frustrating.
 

2 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said:

A response to the policies of the EU / failed left wing governments?

There aren't any left wing governments in the EU - most are slightly left or right of centre.

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2 hours ago, PapofGlencoe said:

One of my best friends is a young outward looking, well travelled guy from outside Budapest.  He votes for Orban which i could not believe.

i think they genuinely are scared of what they see in parts of France, Belgium and the UK.  They don't think the governments here asked anyone if they wanted areas of their country to culturally change over such a short time.  And Orban is saying he's giving them the choice.  They saw literally hundreds of thousands of people going through their country (mostly men) to Austria and Germany and are worried they'll have them sent back to them.

it's probably largely overplayed as few of these immigrants want to settle in Hungary.  I saw what i thought was quite a patronising article on the BBC about the Hungarian town with no immigrants fearful of immigrants.  The point is they want the cultural demographics to stay the way it is.   

Yes, Hungarians are very proud of their unique language and culture and will preserve it at all costs.

I had a couple of great years in Budapest and love the place, but my experiences would probably not have been as good if I came from an ethnic minority background or was involved in a same sex relationship!

 

 

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2 hours ago, PapofGlencoe said:

One of my best friends is a young outward looking, well travelled guy from outside Budapest.  He votes for Orban which i could not believe.

i think they genuinely are scared of what they see in parts of France, Belgium and the UK.  They don't think the governments here asked anyone if they wanted areas of their country to culturally change over such a short time.  And Orban is saying he's giving them the choice.  They saw literally hundreds of thousands of people going through their country (mostly men) to Austria and Germany and are worried they'll have them sent back to them.

it's probably largely overplayed as few of these immigrants want to settle in Hungary.  I saw what i thought was quite a patronising article on the BBC about the Hungarian town with no immigrants fearful of immigrants.  The point is they want the cultural demographics to stay the way it is.

Sadly, that's pretty much spot on.

Immigration always gets blamed for diluting a county, tradition or culture. However, these things will only survive if the younger generation choose to preserve them.

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42 minutes ago, Toepoke said:

Yes, Hungarians are very proud of their unique language and culture and will preserve it at all costs.

I had a couple of great years in Budapest and love the place, but my experiences would probably not have been as good if I came from an ethnic minority background or was involved in a same sex relationship!

 

 

i once visited while a PRIDE march was on.  We thought there had been a terrorist attack the amount of armed guards on the streets.  this is well over 10 years ago now, i think things have changed.  

i think attitudes are more liberal as you would expect but they generally just don't want a Bradford in Hungary and that's what Orban is against.  I know in today's world that sounds bad but it is what it is.  Once it's happened there's no going back.  

edited to add: by they don't mean all hungarians.  obviously everyone has their own view.  but speaking to what i consider fairly "normal" folk that is the view i've heard.

 

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1 hour ago, wubbs said:

Many of those who critise immigration in Hungary are more than happy to go work in another EU member state. Same situation in the other 'Visegrád' countries too. Quite frustrating.
 

There aren't any left wing governments in the EU - most are slightly left or right of centre.

Syrzia are left wing..not that you could call them power brokers!

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4 hours ago, PapofGlencoe said:

i once visited while a PRIDE march was on.  We thought there had been a terrorist attack the amount of armed guards on the streets.  this is well over 10 years ago now, i think things have changed.  

i think attitudes are more liberal as you would expect but they generally just don't want a Bradford in Hungary and that's what Orban is against.  I know in today's world that sounds bad but it is what it is.  Once it's happened there's no going back.  

edited to add: by they don't mean all hungarians.  obviously everyone has their own view.  but speaking to what i consider fairly "normal" folk that is the view i've heard.

 

Of course, the irony of the situation is that they are unlikely to experience the levels of immigration that countries like the UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany have done as it's a direct effect of those countries colonising large parts of the world in the 18th and 19th centuries and then turning to those countries in the post war latter part of the twentieth century and encouraging immigration to fill low paid and unpopular jobs.   The exception to this is Germany who didn't have the same colonial empire but who turned to Turkey for their gastarbeiters. 

But it's a good bogeyman for a right wing populist to scare the voters with.  

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It was a bit depressing walking around Budapest and seeing the same poster planted on every street corner showing refugee's fleeing Syria that Farage and VoteLeave used, but was rather refreshing though to hear younger generations go on about the "joke party" (that was those posters showing a cartoon of a dog that was on every wall in the city) and the hope that they could get into some kind of power, or at least get their voice heard.

All the years I have been going to Hungary, while the people are great, there has always been something of a massive chip on their shoulder (granted, they do not view themselves on the level of Poland, Romania, Serbia etc... but because of their history, more on a par with Germany, Austria, France etc) and seems to have been going from something that was bubbling away in the background, to now reached the surface (the government closed down/cut the funding on one of the international universities last year, and there has been a tension brewing between Ukraine and Hungary of late over the Carpathian Ruthenia (like with Slovakia, there is a sizable Hungarian community here).  

 

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3 hours ago, wanderer said:

It was a bit depressing walking around Budapest and seeing the same poster planted on every street corner showing refugee's fleeing Syria that Farage and VoteLeave used, but was rather refreshing though to hear younger generations go on about the "joke party" (that was those posters showing a cartoon of a dog that was on every wall in the city) and the hope that they could get into some kind of power, or at least get their voice heard.

All the years I have been going to Hungary, while the people are great, there has always been something of a massive chip on their shoulder (granted, they do not view themselves on the level of Poland, Romania, Serbia etc... but because of their history, more on a par with Germany, Austria, France etc) and seems to have been going from something that was bubbling away in the background, to now reached the surface (the government closed down/cut the funding on one of the international universities last year, and there has been a tension brewing between Ukraine and Hungary of late over the Carpathian Ruthenia (like with Slovakia, there is a sizable Hungarian community here).  

 

Never mind all that. Whats the prognosis for the next 5 years for the Hungary away strip. Adidas template  or maybe a return to the Admiral days of the late 70s ?

 

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21 hours ago, aaid said:

Of course, the irony of the situation is that they are unlikely to experience the levels of immigration that countries like the UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany have done

But it's a good bogeyman for a right wing populist to scare the voters with.  

Is it racist to say you don't want a policy which would bring about Bradford in your country?  A separate thing is the reaction once it's there but are people allowed to decide before it happens?

you say they are unlikely, they live in the EU so at some point, unless you make a deliberate decision not to, it may happen.  These countries are actually nicer to live in than ours; wages are relative.  we're richer but i'd rather live with a little less money in Siofok than Larkhall.  in fifteen years, i have no idea why anyone would invest in Scotland (apart from maybe renewable energy and oil) once these countries economies align.  so the logical step is, why would immigrants not decide to live in a nicer part of the world than our freezing outpost.

it's probably controversial to say now but I don't think wanting a controlled immigration policy which does have a cultural concept, is actually racist.  If you suddenly woke up and Inverness was Leeds it changes everything about what the place is.  sometimes for the better, sometimes not.

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