Ambassador Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 'Show us their medals' is the classic challenge between fans when debating the credentials of their favourite players. In this supportyouevermore blog we look at the Scotland players who won the most medals in their club careers which can be a helpful guide when considering the thorny and subjective issue of what constitutes a Scotland 'legend'. Would you be surprised to know that Shaun Maloney is in the top ten? Full list here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Ian Ferguson (St Mirren, Rangers) won 19 medals, but only 9 caps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Sally only one scottish cup. Billy Mc'Neils haul must be some sort of world record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Does this refer to tattoos? Quite a few contenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassador Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 17 March 2018 at 7:33 PM, Toepoke said: Ian Ferguson (St Mirren, Rangers) won 19 medals, but only 9 caps Aye - there is a few like that, cracking players whose Scotland careers never really got going (Jimmy Johnstone as well). We could adjust the criteria down from 25 caps but that seems the minimum to us to properly be classified as a Scotland player..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 34 minutes ago, Ambassador said: Aye - there is a few like that, cracking players whose Scotland careers never really got going (Jimmy Johnstone as well). We could adjust the criteria down from 25 caps but that seems the minimum to us to properly be classified as a Scotland player..... That's a ridiculous criteria. If a player gets one cap he is a Scotland player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassador Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, Orraloon said: That's a ridiculous criteria. If a player gets one cap he is a Scotland player. Not to get on our list of Scotland's most decorated player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 It's no wonder you managed to shoehorn Maloney into the top ten. Why not make the cut off 47 caps and get him into the top 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassador Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Orraloon said: It's no wonder you managed to shoehorn Maloney into the top ten. Why not make the cut off 47 caps and get him into the top 5? Facts are facts pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ambassador said: Not to get on our list of Scotland's most decorated player That just makes it a shyte list then, doesn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassador Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Orraloon said: That just makes it a shyte list then, doesn't it. Why would we have an argument about something as benign as a list of players who won medals? Edited March 24, 2018 by Ambassador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Who's arguing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Surely there should be some weighting to the medals. A European cup counting the same as a league cup... Interesting list though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan_McCole Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Think Brown is missing a League Cup..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassador Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/27/2018 at 1:37 PM, Tartan_McCole said: Think Brown is missing a League Cup..? Great spot Tartan McCole - we had denied Broonie his latest league cup medal. Have updated now, will need to update this entry again soon no doubt.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 27/03/2018 at 10:40 AM, sbcmfc said: Surely there should be some weighting to the medals. A European cup counting the same as a league cup... Interesting list though. Would say the Dryrbrough cup was worth more than a league cup is now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassador Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, ceudmilefailte said: Would say the Dryrbrough cup was worth more than a league cup is now Some other lists (not related to Scottish team) include community shield, European super cup, even runners ups medals etc The more contentious criteria is having a minimum cap threshold (we have set it at 25) so several of the Lisbon Lions have missed the list as has Ian Ferguson as Toepoke pointed out earlier. Bobby Lennox would top the list with 25 medals but he only got 10 caps so would welcome views on whether a review is in order? Not keen on weighting medals although I agree with the underlying point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ambassador said: Some other lists (not related to Scottish team) include community shield, European super cup, even runners ups medals etc The more contentious criteria is having a minimum cap threshold (we have set it at 25) so several of the Lisbon Lions have missed the list as has Ian Ferguson as Toepoke pointed out earlier. Bobby Lennox would top the list with 25 medals but he only got 10 caps so would welcome views on whether a review is in order? Not keen on weighting medals although I agree with the underlying point. Since it's all about how many medals then I'd remove the caps criteria as the Bobby Lennox example shows, these guys should be in there based on the amount of medals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Mental that Bobby Lennox won twice as many titles as he did caps. Spoilt for choice for great wingers back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassador Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 5:47 PM, fringo said: Since it's all about how many medals then I'd remove the caps criteria as the Bobby Lennox example shows, these guys should be in there based on the amount of medals. Cheers Fringo - I think you are right, I will review the list and maybe put in to video format which might be a bit more engaging. Will also think about the manager list. Based on the same criteria of only counting leagues, national cups etc Alex Ferguson won a mind boggling 34 medals (16 leagues, 9 national cups, 5 league cups and 4 European trophies). Mental! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 9 hours ago, Ambassador said: Cheers Fringo - I think you are right, I will review the list and maybe put in to video format which might be a bit more engaging. Will also think about the manager list. Based on the same criteria of only counting leagues, national cups etc Alex Ferguson won a mind boggling 34 medals (16 leagues, 9 national cups, 5 league cups and 4 European trophies). Mental! You could maybe compare how many medals they won as a manager and how many they won as a player. Maybe Strachan or Tommy Burns won most as players, probably Vogts now I think about it? Don't think Fergie won any? Not sure? He didn't get any caps either, although he claims that he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 As oraloon said.... it’s pointless as soon as you arbitrarily pick 25 caps as the criteria. Do it again but for every Scotland player 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassador Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Orraloon said: You could maybe compare how many medals they won as a manager and how many they won as a player. Maybe Strachan or Tommy Burns won most as players, probably Vogts now I think about it? Don't think Fergie won any? Not sure? He didn't get any caps either, although he claims that he did. Good shout. I am using wikipedia as the source and Fergie's page implies no caps but 7 appearances (and 9 goals) for a Scotland XI in 1967. In the notes its defined as: "The Scotland XI team was made up of young, promising players who were to be given the taste of international football with the aim of developing a team for the 1970 World Cup. With a number of Scottish clubs unexpectedly reaching final stages of various European cups, a number of players had to pull out from the touring team to help their clubs. The Scotland XI played nine matches and won them all." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassador Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 Dropping the unpopular minimum cap threshold and extending it out to the top 20 looks as follows. I am planning to make this in to a video so I would be grateful to hear about any errors (Ian Ferguson's wiki page is not very specific so there is a bit of guess work in his split of medals). Honourable mentions to James Forrest (12), Roy Aitken (12) , Alex McLeish (11), Willie Miller (11), Stuart McCall (11) and Paul Lambert (10) who are the other Scottish players in double figures. Leagues National cups League cup European Total 1 Bobby Lennox 11 8 5 1 25 2 Billy McNeill 9 7 6 1 23 3 Kenny Dalglish 10 5 5 3 23 4 Ally McCoist 10 1 9 0 20 5 Jimmy Johnstone 9 4 5 1 19 6 Richard Gough 10 3 6 0 19 7 Ian Ferguson 10 4 5 0 19 8 Bobby Murdoch 8 5 5 1 19 9 John Greig 5 6 5 1 17 10 Barry Ferguson 5 5 6 0 16 11 Bertie Auld 6 4 5 1 16 12 Alan Hansen 8 2 3 3 16 13 Jim Craig 7 4 3 1 15 14 Scott Brown 7 3 5 0 15 15 Danny McGrain 7 5 2 0 14 16 Sandy Jardine 3 5 5 1 14 17 Shaun Maloney 5 6 3 0 14 18 Davie Cooper 3 4 7 0 14 19 Derek Johnstone 3 5 5 1 14 20 Graeme Souness 6 0 4 3 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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