ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Big club criteria: Won a European trophy and won their domestic league in the last 20 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 20 hours ago, McTeeko said: I wouldn’t say Leicester or Blackburn (just more than 20 years) are bigger than West Ham. West Ham also have a European trophy. 20 hours ago, Toepoke said: West Ham won the Cup Winners Cup and were losing finalists too. 19 hours ago, mccaughey85 said: Obviously they ain't a man utd or a Liverpool but they are still relatively big when compared with yer hulls or Bournemouths and have spent most of their history in the English top flight. I wouldn't say leicester or blackburn are bigger than west ham, they are all mediocre clubs. Leicester aand blackburn have no euro trophy and west ham haven't won the league in the last 20 years so not BIG clubs. They ain't a man u or liverpool, only manu is a big club, Liverpool are not. You cannot be a big european club if you can't even win your own domestic league. I think alot of people in scotland watch too much match of the day and sky sportsPL and believe the epl is some sort of great league, its just a rich league from tv money. If you visit other european countries the main football discussed is international, Primera Liga, Serie A and Bundesliga and which every league is in that country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 i'll get this out the road early. Rangers were a big club until they died etc etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Would anyone say the likes of Huddersfield, Burnley and Bournemouth are bigger than Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ScotlandWintheWorldCup said: I wouldn't say leicester or blackburn are bigger than west ham, they are all mediocre clubs. Leicester aand blackburn have no euro trophy and west ham haven't won the league in the last 20 years so not BIG clubs. They ain't a man u or liverpool, only manu is a big club, Liverpool are not. You cannot be a big european club if you can't even win your own domestic league. I think alot of people in scotland watch too much match of the day and sky sportsPL and believe the epl is some sort of great league, its just a rich league from tv money. If you visit other european countries the main football discussed is international, Primera Liga, Serie A and Bundesliga and which every league is in that country. Your criteria is nonsense. Liverpool are one of the biggest clubs in world football. Edited January 30, 2018 by Fairbairn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Fairbairn said: i'll get this out the road early. Rangers were a big club until they died etc etc etc. You know it 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: Would anyone say the likes of Huddersfield, Burnley and Bournemouth are bigger than Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts? No, Hibs, aberdeen and hearts are bigger clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Doesn’t really mean anything though does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fairbairn said: Your criteria is nonsense. Liverpool are one of the biggest clubs in world football. How can you be a big club and not be able to win or even compete for your domestic league? You are conflating money with success. Trophys, history and fanbase make big clubs, TV money has distorted the way people view this. For example are Chelsea or Ajax the bigger club? For me Ajax, because of 40 years of success, 4 CL's, and a massive global fanbase. Chelsea 15 years of success, 1CL, and alot of chinese fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Doesn’t really mean anything though does it? You are right paris. Probably would prefer scottish clubs to have the money. Although it might stop our youngsters coming through. However, i'm just trying to change the mindset among some scots that believe the epl is the be all and end all. Its just rich. Guess the question is would you like to be super wealthy with a vapid supermodel wife, or have a big family and strong community around you.....hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, ScotlandWintheWorldCup said: How can you be a big club and not be able to win or even compete for your domestic league? You are conflating money with success. Trophys, history and fanbase make big clubs, TV money has distorted the way people view this. Maybe if there are a lot of very big, very rich clubs in your domestic league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, ScotlandWintheWorldCup said: Guess the question is would you like to be super wealthy with a vapid supermodel wife, or have a big family and strong community around you.....hmmm Either way, you'd still get fucked about and lied too, as per life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, ScotlandWintheWorldCup said: Trophys, history and fanbase make big clubs, I'd say when it comes to trophies and history Liverpool are doing not bad. I'd hazard a guess they'd be doing OK on fanbase too. Domestic League First Division Winners (18): 1900–01, 1905–06, 1921–22, 1922–23, 1946–47, 1963–64, 1965–66, 1972–73, 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90 Second Division Winners (4): 1893–94, 1895–96, 1904–05, 1961–62 Lancashire League Winners (1): 1892–93 Cups FA Cup Winners (7): 1964–65, 1973–74, 1985–86, 1988–89, 1991–92, 2000–01, 2005–06 Football League Cup Winners (8): 1980–81, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1994–95, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12 (record) FA Charity / Community Shield Winners (15): 1964*, 1965*, 1966, 1974*, 1976, 1977*, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1986*, 1988, 1989, 1990*, 2001, 2006 (* shared) Sheriff of London Charity Shield: Winners (1): 1906 Football League Super Cup Winners (1): 1985–86 European European Cup/UEFA Champions League Winners (5): 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1983–84, 2004–05 UEFA Cup/UEFA Europa League Winners (3): 1972–73, 1975–76, 2000–01 European Super Cup/UEFA Super Cup Winners (3): 1977, 2001, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 You aren't getting it fairburn, Liverpool were a big club.# Domestic League First Division Winners (18): 1900–01, 1905–06, 1921–22, 1922–23, 1946–47, 1963–64, 1965–66, 1972–73, 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90 You don't like the criteria, ok name me one other big club who have won at least 1 Euro trophy that haven;t won their domestic league in the last 20 years. Or are you saying because liverpool are the only club who don't fit in we should change the criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, adamntg said: Maybe if there are a lot of very big, very rich clubs in your domestic league? There are alot of very big rich clubs in the bundesloga, serie a and la liga as well but their big clubs have all won domestic league titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fairbairn said: I'd say when it comes to trophies and history Liverpool are doing not bad. I'd hazard a guess they'd be doing OK on fanbase too. Domestic League First Division Winners (18): 1900–01, 1905–06, 1921–22, 1922–23, 1946–47, 1963–64, 1965–66, 1972–73, 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90 Second Division Winners (4): 1893–94, 1895–96, 1904–05, 1961–62 Lancashire League Winners (1): 1892–93 Cups FA Cup Winners (7): 1964–65, 1973–74, 1985–86, 1988–89, 1991–92, 2000–01, 2005–06 Football League Cup Winners (8): 1980–81, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1994–95, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12 (record) FA Charity / Community Shield Winners (15): 1964*, 1965*, 1966, 1974*, 1976, 1977*, 1979, 1980, 1982, 1986*, 1988, 1989, 1990*, 2001, 2006 (* shared) Sheriff of London Charity Shield: Winners (1): 1906 Football League Super Cup Winners (1): 1985–86 European European Cup/UEFA Champions League Winners (5): 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1983–84, 2004–05 UEFA Cup/UEFA Europa League Winners (3): 1972–73, 1975–76, 2000–01 European Super Cup/UEFA Super Cup Winners (3): 1977, 2001, 2005 I was thinking the same how you can set those criteria and exclude Liverpool is beyond me. Theyve been in 4? European finals in last 20 years and won the Big cup. (6 if you’re an aberdeen fan ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggycoo Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, ScotlandWintheWorldCup said: Big club criteria: Won a European trophy and won their domestic league in the last 20 years 37 minutes ago, ScotlandWintheWorldCup said: They ain't a man u or liverpool, only manu is a big club, Liverpool are not. You cannot be a big european club if you can't even win your own domestic league. So what is the criteria now? Liverpool have won more than one European trophy in the last 20 years but because they ain't won their own league they are not a big team. Please try and make up your mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, ScotlandWintheWorldCup said: You aren't getting it fairburn, Liverpool were a big club.# Domestic League First Division Winners (18): 1900–01, 1905–06, 1921–22, 1922–23, 1946–47, 1963–64, 1965–66, 1972–73, 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90 You don't like the criteria, ok name me one other big club who have won at least 1 Euro trophy that haven;t won their domestic league in the last 20 years. Or are you saying because liverpool are the only club who don't fit in we should change the criteria. I picked one of the few teams you mentioned in your OP and pointed out that it was nonsense. By pretty much any criteria Liverpool are a massive club and they are certainly a bigger club than Man City and Chelsea who have won their domestic leagues more recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 56 minutes ago, ScotlandWintheWorldCup said: Big club criteria: Won a European trophy and won their domestic league in the last 20 years So are we classing Zenit St Petersburg as a big club? Presumably Shakhtar Donetsk too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 You’d probably need a list of criteria and you need to meet x amount to be a big club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, DoonTheSlope said: Would anyone say the likes of Huddersfield, Burnley and Bournemouth are bigger than Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts? No brainer that one as long as you ignore Burnley & Bournemouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 For me big clubs are defined by the size of their supports. IMO England's top 10 biggest clubs in approximate order are:- Manchester Utd Liverpool Arsenal Aston Villa Leeds Utd Newcastle United Everton Manchester City Tottenham Hotspur Chelsea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 41 minutes ago, shaggycoo said: So what is the criteria now? Liverpool have won more than one European trophy in the last 20 years but because they ain't won their own league they are not a big team. Please try and make up your mind 35 minutes ago, Fairbairn said: So are we classing Zenit St Petersburg as a big club? Presumably Shakhtar Donetsk too? The criteria is won a euro trophy at any point AND their league in the last 20 years. So Liverpool aren't a big club anymore, as they haven't won their league in the last 20. It's to differentiate between clubs who have historic success and recent success. For example: Wolves were a massive club in the 50's would you say they are now, same with liverpool they were a huge european club but they have fallen away from being a superclub like the bayern's, juve's rmadrid's. Yes I would say Zenit are a big club, they have a euro trophy, multiple leagues, and a large fan base in russia. Maybe because they get little coverage here nobody would know how big they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Toepoke said: For me big clubs are defined by the size of their supports. IMO England's top 10 biggest clubs in approximate order are:- Manchester Utd Liverpool Arsenal Aston Villa Leeds Utd Newcastle United Everton Manchester City Tottenham Hotspur Chelsea So Rangers and celtic are bigger than all of these clubs? Because there support is larger, maybe not manu. But rangers did take 200,000 to Manchester for a uefa cup final, can't see any of these clubs doing that if a final was in glasgow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 What is the fascination with people up here who choose Newcastle as their English team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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