Rich NATA Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, ceudmilefailte said: Your opinions on qualifiers v friendlies is strange to me. Would I be right in thinking you applauded Gordon Strachan after the Gibraltar game? No. You would be wrong. However, thank you for mentioning that match... There was a qualifier in a stadium too big for the fixture where SSC tickets were plentiful... ON THE LADDER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, kumnio said: Go to Budapest, you will get a point for a couple hundred pounds. Everyone else has responsibilities and financial demands, if you cant afford something, you dont get it. There is no system that will work for everyone all of the time, fans who attend games must be rewarded accordingly. Should there be a 7 point and above tax to pay for people who cant afford things, where do you want it to stop? Can I pay for your flights, someone else your hotel, another your spending money. Its a game of football, if you cant afford it, then tough, youre not entitled to a football ticket, its not a necessity. Fair enough see you in Budapest I'll be easy to spot, I'll be the one without a Glengarry, no feathers and not even some historically irrelevant kilt on. You are right though from now on I accept my place in society and will put any aspirations I have of seeing my country play football to one side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rich NATA said: No. You would be wrong. However, thank you for mentioning that match... There was a qualifier in a stadium too big for the fixture where SSC tickets were plentiful... ON THE LADDER. Could argue it wasn't competitive but no I should have been at that one. Has the point expired yet? lets go round that bush again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Fair enough see you in Budapest I'll be easy to spot, I'll be the one without a Glengarry, no feathers and not even some historically irrelevant kilt on. You are right though from now on I accept my place in society and will put any aspirations I have of seeing my country play football to one side I might buy you a pint, I will most likely have a kilt on, although no Glengarry and certainly no feather. I have an average income, yet manage to do as I please, theres no putting people in their place or holding down aspirations here, but what you want is ridiculous. You want a reward with no effort, its almost childlike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Could argue it wasn't competitive but no I should have been at that one. Oh FFS, don't be an eejit! That was a competitive match until just 3 days before when we f*cked up against Poland - by which time, if you were going, all flights and hotels would have been booked. Had we beaten Poland, I can't remember if we would have qualified that night in Faro, but if someone hadn't got off their arse for the one, they've got f*ck all to complain about. F*ck all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I like the idea of a point for home games and 2 for away games. I don't think it would chance where you are on the table dramatically but I think it would create a slightly fairer system. The big weakness would be folk 'harvesting' home points and the admin around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, PASTA Mick said: The big weakness would be folk 'harvesting' home points and the admin around it. It would simply be impossible to police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 43 minutes ago, Rich NATA said: It would simply be impossible to police. Maybe. From a commercial POV, if people buy tickets for points without the intention to use it...so what. Money is in the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Rich NATA said: Oh FFS, don't be an eejit! That was a competitive match until just 3 days before when we f*cked up against Poland - by which time, if you were going, all flights and hotels would have been booked. Had we beaten Poland, I can't remember if we would have qualified that night in Faro, but if someone hadn't got off their arse for the one, they've got f*ck all to complain about. F*ck all. The suggestion was more that any one playing Gibraltar is not a "competitive match" but fair dos never even thought tickets would be available. I should stay in touch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/3/2018 at 11:18 PM, Gala Tartan Army (Borders) said: Barney ,they definately didn't have points for away games in 1998. Marjory told me the criteria for getting W C finals tickets was how long you had been a member of the Travel Club . Don't know when points table came. Now if you live abroad iI know that's it's difficult to get to home games so it's only fair that you get an extra point for away games but surely the guys that leave work early on a Monday night and take 4 hours or more in the pissing rain to get to a home game deserve some sort of reward for their loyalty , 1 point . You seem to favour two separate supporters clubs , one for those who go to home games only (obviously cheaper as you don't want any points awarded) ,and a separate club for those who go to home and away games (paying a bit extra because of the cost of administering away tickets) . Sounds like a logistical nightmare . Sorry Barney if I have picked you up wrong ,but I think supporting the team at home is just as important as away . that's totally incorrect Basis of the 98 world cup were issued based on how many games you had been to - this was reviewed retrospectively rather than guys knowing beforehand Top of my head it was >4 games got tickets for all 3 matches < 3 you only got 1 ticket If you had been to the Estonia "game that never was - then you got tickets for all 3 as well" Nothing to do with age of membership Actually - I joined in 96, and got tickets for all 3 games in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, euan2020 said: that's totally incorrect Basis of the 98 world cup were issued based on how many games you had been to - this was reviewed retrospectively rather than guys knowing beforehand Top of my head it was >4 games got tickets for all 3 matches < 3 you only got 1 ticket If you had been to the Estonia "game that never was - then you got tickets for all 3 as well" Nothing to do with age of membership Actually - I joined in 96, and got tickets for all 3 games in England Think age of membership decided which ticket you got Every member got a ticket for at least one game in France, what do the 10 pointers think of that I joined in 96 too and got all three tickets but our allocation there probably covered just about all members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: The suggestion was more that any one playing Gibraltar is not a "competitive match" but fair dos never even thought tickets would be available. I should stay in touch If we hadn't fucked up against Poland, we may have qualified for a long overdue tournament that night (or qualified for the play-offs at least). Who gives a fuck about the opposition? Seemingly you do. Going back to one of my previous posts on the previous page... UMPTEEN matches have gone to no points and low points, so what what's the problem??? This talk of impossible to get on the ladder is bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, PASTA Mick said: Maybe. From a commercial POV, if people buy tickets for points without the intention to use it...so what. Money is in the bank. I realise that, but as fans who love the game, isn't the commercialism of football (and sport in general) something us we should despise. Do we trust the people at the top to point that money in the right direction? Of course we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: Well I live in the Hebrides but that is neither here nor there. The points ladder is impossible to get on if you have other responsibilities and demands on your finances. The current system is perfect for some but excludes others all together. It's all just another example of how detached the SFA are from the core Scotland Support If you live in Cathcart you can probably afford to go to all the away games anyway. I want an Audi, Focus RS, Ferrari and lambourghini sitting outside my house, just so I can choose what I want to drive in that day, but I can’t afford them, so I’m happy with my corsa. These car companies are so out of touch with what the working man wants. If I really wanted even one of them in my lifetime, I would save every spare penny I had, sacrifice nights out and holidays until I could get what I wanted. But I don’t, I have responsibilities and a family to provide for, so by choice, I put it towards them. Are you suggesting that only people on a basic working class wage should be allowed to attend games and other people that have money from one way or the other aren’t allowed to follow Scotland, just because they have more means of doing it than you do? Incidentally, how do you assume that someone living in Cathcart has all the money to go to games anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: Fair enough see you in Budapest I'll be easy to spot, I'll be the one without a Glengarry, no feathers and not even some historically irrelevant kilt on. You are right though from now on I accept my place in society and will put any aspirations I have of seeing my country play football to one side You could start by cutting off your broadband and mobile phone contract. That could save you anything between £50-£100 a month (losing mine would save me £130 a month), put that towards an away trip, you’ll easily save that between now and the nations league starting. The added, probably more obvious bonus would be that people dont have to read anymore of your blabbering pish. You can thank me near the ticket collection point, I’ll be the one across the road in the Moët bar, not giving a fuck how much of it I spill down my kilt. Edited February 5, 2018 by dandydunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, dandydunn said: You can thank me near the ticket collection point, I’ll be the one across the road in the Moët bar, not giving a fuck how much of it I spill down my kilt. That’s believable on a sparkie’s wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunty Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 10 hours ago, PASTA Mick said: I like the idea of a point for home games and 2 for away games. I don't think it would chance where you are on the table dramatically but I think it would create a slightly fairer system. The big weakness would be folk 'harvesting' home points and the admin around it. I think they should keep it as it is, but maybe make one small change, and that being if you buy the season ticket you get one point, putting you on the ladder. I think that's fair enough - the price of a season ticket is roughly the same as many of the away trips, and like you say on the issue of harvesting- very few would harvest on a season ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 9 hours ago, euan2020 said: that's totally incorrect Basis of the 98 world cup were issued based on how many games you had been to - this was reviewed retrospectively rather than guys knowing beforehand Top of my head it was >4 games got tickets for all 3 matches < 3 you only got 1 ticket If you had been to the Estonia "game that never was - then you got tickets for all 3 as well" Nothing to do with age of membership Actually - I joined in 96, and got tickets for all 3 games in England You could get a ticket for the Switzerland game at Euro 96 up to the day of the game. I got a ticket to the England game having not been to any away game as well. Probably no more than 10k tartan army there that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Can someone remind us how many homes games have been oversubscribed in the last ten years? Can someone answer, why you can't save up away points and for them not to expire until you get to attend an away game? Can someone answer, on point of principle, is it right that you can (via SSC) buy the right to attend any home game (rather than earning via home attendance), but you can't (via SSC) buy the right to attend an away game (but must earn via away attendance)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee-toon-red Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 24 minutes ago, exile said: Can someone remind us how many homes games have been oversubscribed in the last ten years? Can someone answer, why you can't save up away points and for them not to expire until you get to attend an away game? Can someone answer, on point of principle, is it right that you can (via SSC) buy the right to attend any home game (rather than earning via home attendance), but you can't (via SSC) buy the right to attend an away game (but must earn via away attendance)? Fairly sure that the answer will be "cos I currently benefit from the system the way it is and don't want it to change", even if those aren't the exact words that will be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 32 minutes ago, exile said: Can someone answer, on point of principle, is it right that you can (via SSC) buy the right to attend any home game (rather than earning via home attendance), but you can't (via SSC) buy the right to attend an away game (but must earn via away attendance)? Again, you can buy the right to attend an away game. As has been said numerous times on this thread that multiple games within the last ten have been available to all members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Ballot for every game with women getting priority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 38 minutes ago, exile said: Can someone remind us how many homes games have been oversubscribed in the last ten years? Can someone answer, why you can't save up away points and for them not to expire until you get to attend an away game? Can someone answer, on point of principle, is it right that you can (via SSC) buy the right to attend any home game (rather than earning via home attendance), but you can't (via SSC) buy the right to attend an away game (but must earn via away attendance)? No home (Hampden) matches are oversubscribed because the membership is capped at less than the number of tickets available. It used to be capped at around 33'000 members... Whether we still have that many member's, I don't know. Yes the points expire, but only after about 2 years or so. Every member is guaranteed a ticket for Hampden because it's our stadium; we are the FA hosting the fixture; we know what it holds and how many members we have. The reason we have a points system for away tickets is because we cannot guarantee every member an away match ticket; the number of tickets we receive is determined by the FA of the host nation and they are not going to give us 33'000 tickets. Over the years, the SSC have been very successful in securing ticket allocation's. More often than not, we have received enough SSC tickets for the fans who are travelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Dunty said: I think they should keep it as it is, but maybe make one small change, and that being if you buy the season ticket you get one point, putting you on the ladder. I think that's fair enough - the price of a season ticket is roughly the same as many of the away trips, and like you say on the issue of harvesting- very few would harvest on a season ticket. That Sir, is the only new suggestion, which is both fair and practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Am I being cynical here or are people already worrying that they are not going to get a ticket v England at Wembley in 2020 so they want change now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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