Orraloon Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Grim Jim said: I'm wondering how to police harvesters of home game points. Sample pick-ups for instance would be unlikely to catch anyone. They don't try to police it for away games, so why bother for the home games. The SFA should just be trying to sell as many home game tickets as possible. It's not really that important if folk go or not. Just get the cash in the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, Orraloon said: They don't try to police it for away games, so why bother for the home games. The SFA should just be trying to sell as many home game tickets as possible. It's not really that important if folk go or not. Just get the cash in the bank. If that's the ultimate aim, then the pricing strategy has been decidedly unsuccessful so far this decade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calum83 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 i enjoy my aways trips fourth year on the bounce for me scrimp and save my cash to do all the games i can i dont do beach holidays or short city breaks just scotland away games they are my holidays no matter where they are at times i have left my self nearly skint at the end of some months all for the love of the game let go times roll again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, calum83 said: i enjoy my aways trips fourth year on the bounce for me scrimp and save my cash to do all the games i can i dont do beach holidays or short city breaks just scotland away games they are my holidays no matter where they are at times i have left my self nearly skint at the end of some months all for the love of the game let go times roll again This is the reason the points ladder is in place and should remain so. People who make sacrifices to follow the team away from home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calum83 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: This is the reason the points ladder is in place and should remain so. People who make sacrifices to follow the team away from home if we said the next game was on the moon playing who ever i would be trying to get a ticket i have ended up up in the other teams home again on a few games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, calum83 said: if we said the next game was on the moon playing who ever i would be trying to get a ticket i have ended up up in the other teams home again on a few games 👍🏻 Some people think that the SSC and fellow fans owe them something. All because a few day trippers didn't get a ticket for Dortmund or Dublin they've been kicking up fuck since I just hope Leanne Dempster doesn't get Regans job because she a perfectly good loyalty scheme at Hibs because folk couldn't get tickets for Tynie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, calum83 said: i enjoy my aways trips fourth year on the bounce for me scrimp and save my cash to do all the games i can i dont do beach holidays or short city breaks just scotland away games they are my holidays no matter where they are at times i have left my self nearly skint at the end of some months all for the love of the game let go times roll again I don't know what planet some people on here live on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, ceudmilefailte said: I don't know what planet some people on here live on! The real world perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calum83 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, ceudmilefailte said: I don't know what planet some people on here live on! spent to much on things trying to get to all the away game but worth every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, DoonTheSlope said: The real world perhaps? in the real world we are totally skint at the end of every month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 3 hours ago, DoonTheSlope said: This is the reason the points ladder is in place and should remain so. People who make sacrifices to follow the team away from home Woh there I think you'll find people make sacrifices to watch Scotland at home as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, bonzo said: Woh there I think you'll find people make sacrifices to watch Scotland at home as well. They do, at times myself included but I do not seek any preferential treatment when it comes to away match briefs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, bonzo said: Woh there I think you'll find people make sacrifices to watch Scotland at home as well. I did last year for the Slovak game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: They do, at times myself included but I do not seek any preferential treatment when it comes to away match briefs Ok but you are missing my point, people who are making sacrifices to go to hampden are not going to put any pressure on the points ladder. So why grudge them a wee bit of recognition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bonzo said: Ok but you are missing my point, people who are making sacrifices to go to hampden are not going to put any pressure on the points ladder. So why grudge them a wee bit of recognition? The points thing is out of hand with everyone wanting a pat on the back for attending a game. Grown men wanting egos massaged for going to a game 30,40,50 miles away. I don’t go to any home/away games so that I can have recognition. Edited February 1, 2018 by Ormond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 The current system was created when travelling was difficult. Now its easy to organise, people have more disposable income and it's an "event" where football is a small part of it. It needs to change. People are being rewarded out of proportion for going on holiday and not even bothering with home games which should be your core support. There should be rewards for all fans and not just the people who travel usually in the older age group with cash to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Bollocks. You go to away games, you get rewarded with access to away tickets. You go to home games, you get rewarded with access to home tickets. Lets do it on miles covered then, guys from Shetlands shouldnt get the same points as a Weegie for attending Hampden games. The sense of entitlement by some is comical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 32 minutes ago, Alan said: The current system was created when travelling was difficult. Now its easy to organise, people have more disposable income and it's an "event" where football is a small part of it. It needs to change. People are being rewarded out of proportion for going on holiday and not even bothering with home games which should be your core support. There should be rewards for all fans and not just the people who travel usually in the older age group with cash to spend. Exactly. The folk who buy tickets for every HOME game should have the first chance of getting the away tickets. The daft erse for elbow system the SFA uses was fine for the times when it was introduced. But things have changed and the SFA should move with the times and start rewarding the folk who put money in the SFA coffers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, kumnio said: Bollocks. You go to away games, you get rewarded with access to away tickets. You go to home games, you get rewarded with access to home tickets. Lets do it on miles covered then, guys from Shetlands shouldnt get the same points as a Weegie for attending Hampden games. The sense of entitlement by some is comical. It's not about a sense of entitlement. Well not for me anyway. It's about the SFA doing what's best for the SFA. They should be trying to encourage folk to buy their product by offering rewards for doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, kumnio said: Bollocks. You go to away games, you get rewarded with access to away tickets. You go to home games, you get rewarded with access to home tickets. Lets do it on miles covered then, guys from Shetlands shouldnt get the same points as a Weegie for attending Hampden games. The sense of entitlement by some is comical. Don't try talking them round by talking sense to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rubble Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Exactly. The folk who buy tickets for every HOME game should have the first chance of getting the away tickets. The daft erse for elbow system the SFA uses was fine for the times when it was introduced. But things have changed and the SFA should move with the times and start rewarding the folk who put money in the SFA coffers. Just now, Orraloon said: It's not about a sense of entitlement. Well not for me anyway. It's about the SFA doing what's best for the SFA. They should be trying to encourage folk to buy their product by offering rewards for doing so. If they want to encourage folk to buy home tickets then they could start by reviewing their abject failure of a pricing policy for home games, which has seen one sell-out in the last 10 years. As for away games, there are many reasons why fellow fans exercise their freedom of choice to prioritise them over home games - limited annual leave entitlement, their location in the globe, and better value for money going to away games due to the failed pricing policy mentioned above for starters. There's nothing wrong with the current system - if they try tinkering with it to include home games, they will create an administrative monster for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, Orraloon said: It's not about a sense of entitlement. Well not for me anyway. It's about the SFA doing what's best for the SFA. They should be trying to encourage folk to buy their product by offering rewards for doing so. Agree, but there’s better ways of doing it. 18 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said: If they want to encourage folk to buy home tickets then they could start by reviewing their abject failure of a pricing policy for home games, which has seen one sell-out in the last 10 years. As for away games, there are many reasons why fellow fans exercise their freedom of choice to prioritise them over home games - limited annual leave entitlement, their location in the globe, and better value for money going to away games due to the failed pricing policy mentioned above for starters. There's nothing wrong with the current system - if they try tinkering with it to include home games, they will create an administrative monster for themselves. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I quite liked the suggestion someone made ( perhaps flippantly) that part of the away ticket allocation was a ballot. Could they not keep the points system as it is but have say 10-15 % of the tickets as a ballot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: I quite liked the suggestion someone made ( perhaps flippantly) that part of the away ticket allocation was a ballot. Could they not keep the points system as it is but have say 10-15 % of the tickets as a ballot? *Numbers and opponents used for debating purposes only Away Allocation for crucial qualifier against Northern Ireland: 3,700 3,200 tickets available for 10-5 pointers the following 500 are then in a ballot? Potentially someone on zero points who could get a ticket ahead of someone who has 4 points and should be next in line on the points scale Its not broke so no need to fix it Edited February 2, 2018 by DoonTheSlope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: *Numbers and opponents used for debating purposes only Away Allocation for crucial qualifier against Northern Ireland: 3,700 3,200 tickets available for 10-5 pointers the following 500 are then in a ballot? Potentially someone on zero points who could get a ticket ahead of someone who has 4 points and should be next in line on the points scale Its not broke so no need to fix it No, you think it aint broke but plenty people do. I , like many , have been on both sides of the fence and I can understand the frustration of those trying to get on the ladder . I am now on about 7 points but when ny children were young it was just not possible to get away regularly , particularly as a mother. This would give everyone at least some chance of getting a ticket. I dont think you should get a point for a balloted ticket but at least you get the chance of a ticket. In your example, the folk on 4 points would just need to suck it the way folk on zero points currently do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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