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Is the tv show I’ve been binging on. It’s from the History channel and contains a squad of the World’s finest manhunters and war crimes specialists trying to piece together whether Hitler fled alive to Argentina instead of the suicide that we are told to believe. There’s some pretty fascinating stuff unearthed and certainly seems to blow a lot of ‘historic’ stuff out of the water. The Spaniards, Argies and the Vatican church don’t come out looking too good. 

In 2014 a huge backlog of FBI files were declassified and this seems to be what has prompted the show to set up their team of experts. From guys who have decades of CIA top level experience to war crimes investigators, journalists, US Marshalls and even US special forces who have been involved in the capture of Bin Laden. It’s pretty interesting viewing. 

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3 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Thars money to be made in yon conspiracy theories .......

 

I’m quite a sceptic with most shit but they really have spent the money getting the right people in for this and they really are turning everything we supposedly know on it’s head. The evidence and artifacts thrown up are outstanding. 

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Loads of intelligence agencies had documents with reports of Hitler in various places but nothing concrete and a lot contradicting.

Hundreds of Nazi's escaped to South America after the war. Eichmann got captured and Mengele got away.

If you got to the source document it's an informant giving them a picture of someone who is meant to be Hitler. It's also in Colombia in 1955 i believe, that's it really a shitty photograph and some speculation.

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21 minutes ago, phart said:

Loads of intelligence agencies had documents with reports of Hitler in various places but nothing concrete and a lot contradicting.

Hundreds of Nazi's escaped to South America after the war. Eichmann got captured and Mengele got away.

If you got to the source document it's an informant giving them a picture of someone who is meant to be Hitler. It's also in Colombia in 1955 i believe, that's it really a shitty photograph and some speculation.

As soon as that picture was unearthed the team proved it false right away. What’s cool about it is that they are not close minded on the fact he may have died in the bunker. 

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Couple of things you have to take into account before you start giving any of these goose chases credence.

The first is the health of Hitler in the last days of the Fuhrerbunker

He was a complete shell of a man who in all probability had a form of Parkinsons disease - shuffling walk and tremors in his left hand

Although he had survived the bomb plot at the Wolf's lair in 1944 it left a great deal of damage

Even if he was lucky enough to see out another year or two after 1945 his quality of life would have been severely restricted 

Secondly is the actual witnesses who saw the dead bodies and took part in the disposal

Among them were Rochus Misch, Heinz Linge and Otto Gunsche who burned the bodies

All were taken into Russia and tortured for information about Hitler's last days and even in their old age back in the West when there was nothing left to gain for the nazi cause and a great deal of money to be made never changed their stories

Whilst they were all committed Nazis there would have to be some right good evidence that they were lying right to the end before you started on any conspiracy

 

 

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All witness statements regarding his death have been challenged to be bullshit. These supposed witnesses claimed it was Hitler who was wrapped up who came out of the bunker. None could see his face due to being obscured. When the Russians took over the bunker they trashed fuck out of evidence. The skull the Russians claim was Hitler was finally DNA examined in 2009 and has been proven to be a female. Whether this was Braun, who knows? Perhaps Hitler murdered her? Something I never knew was that there was 90 odd miles of tunnels underneath Berlin with a tunnel running right from the bunker to Berlin Templehof Airport. This airport was still under German control one day before the final fall of all of Berlin. Luftwaffe pilots are on record as saying one day before the “suicide” of Hitler a number of extremely high Nazi officials were flown out of the country. In the next few days after there were an extremely high number of sightings of Hitler in Spain. Hitler himself helped Franco with German troops and therefore did not involve Spain in his war so to seek refuge. 

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10 minutes ago, Ormond said:

All witness statements regarding his death have been challenged to be bullshit. These supposed witnesses claimed it was Hitler who was wrapped up who came out of the bunker. None could see his face due to being obscured. When the Russians took over the bunker they trashed fuck out of evidence. The skull the Russians claim was Hitler was finally DNA examined in 2009 and has been proven to be a female. Whether this was Braun, who knows? Perhaps Hitler murdered her? Something I never knew was that there was 90 odd miles of tunnels underneath Berlin with a tunnel running right from the bunker to Berlin Templehof Airport. This airport was still under German control one day before the final fall of all of Berlin. Luftwaffe pilots are on record as saying one day before the “suicide” of Hitler a number of extremely high Nazi officials were flown out of the country. In the next few days after there were an extremely high number of sightings of Hitler in Spain. Hitler himself helped Franco with German troops and therefore did not involve Spain in his war so to seek refuge. 

That's not rue.

Any historian will tell you that Spain didn't take part in the Second World War because it's whole infrastructure, towns and cities were in ruins after the Civil War which had only just ended in 1939 and the population was war weary. The didn't have a penny in their treasury and so they had to re-build their economy rather than continue to wage war.

The Falange also wanted to get started imposing politically, social, cultural and linguistic program for Spain as well as dealing with the Republican insurgency in some of the remote mountanoius areas.

Franco also was concerned that if he did declare war then it would endanger Spain's weakly defended African colonies for takeover by Britain and/or America.

Spain did not stay out of the war purely so Hitler could have a possible refuge.

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Just now, SpiderAlba said:

That's not rue.

Any historian will tell you that Spain didn't take part in the Second World War because it's whole infrastructure, towns and cities were in ruins and the population was war weary.

The Falange also wanted to get started imposing politically, social, cultural and linguistic program for Spain as well as dealing with the Republican insurgency in some of the remote mountanoius areas.

Franco also was concerned that if he did declare war then it would endanger Spain's weakly defended African colonies for takeover by Britain and/or America.

Spain did not stay out of the war purely so Hitler could have a possible refuge.

Read what I said again. I said Hitler did not involve Spain. I never said anything about Spain choosing anything.

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10 minutes ago, Ormond said:

Read what I said again. I said Hitler did not involve Spain. I never said anything about Spain choosing anything.

He did try and involve Spain.

It's well documented that Hitler and Farnco met at Hendaye, France in 1940 where H asked F what his conditions for Spain joining the war where.

Rather than offer to join the war, demand Gibraltar and place his forces at Hitler's disposal, Franco asked for massive monetary loans, huge supplies of grain, oil and so on as well as new German armour and aircraft to equip his forces. He also demanded future Spanish sovereignty over (Vichy) France's North African colonies. The German's did not agree to any of this. Some think Franco deliberately demanded too much so he could keep Spain out of the war. 

Hitler blew his brains out in 1945 in Berlin. And good riddance.

The worlds most recognisable man did not simply waltz through the clutches of over a million Soviet troops.

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15 minutes ago, Ormond said:

All witness statements regarding his death have been challenged to be bullshit.These supposed witnesses claimed it was Hitler who was wrapped up who came out of the bunker. None could see his face due to being obscured.

Supposed witnesses ? Having a theory that they were all wrong because of blankets covering the bodies hardly makes their statements "bullshit". It's a theory with zero evidence

Something I never knew was that there was 90 odd miles of tunnels underneath Berlin with a tunnel running right from the bunker to Berlin Templehof Airport.

There wasnt. I believe there was an underground station 200 yards from the bunker that did though that was under intense shelling

This airport was still under German control one day before the final fall of all of Berlin.

Tempelhof was taken by Soviet forces on 28th/29th April when Hitler was still alive

Luftwaffe pilots are on record as saying one day before the “suicide” of Hitler a number of extremely high Nazi officials were flown out of the country. 

Probably but this would hardly have been an organised evacuation. Tempelhof was never a military airfield and in 1945 the allies had complete domination of German airspace. Being shot down was almost guaranteed

The last plane out of Berlin was on 28th April when Hanna Reitsch flew from an improvised airstrip only suitable for small aircraft near the Brandenburg gate. Hitler was still alive  

 

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17 minutes ago, Ormond said:

Neither me nor anybody on this show is saying he did either.

You surely don't believe these gazumps though do you ?

And pretty much everyone who was in the bunker and didn't get killed trying to escape or commit suicide, have the the same story.

Hitler and Mrs H formally said "farewell to their staff and aides. They retired to their bunker sitting room. After a short while a shot was heard. The others entered the unlocked room and found Hitler dead from a gunshot wound to the head and a cyanide capsule taken at the same time, Mrs H had also bitten a cyanide capsule. The took the bodies out to cremate them. There wasn't enough petrol to do a complete job so they buried the charred remains.

As an afterward it's been established that the Soviets dug up the half cremated bodies and buried them again several items before finally disposing of them at sea in the 1970s.

14 minutes ago, Ormond said:

So much of what you have said has been proven false.

By whom ?

Can you provide the titles of books and studies by reputable historians and researchers that back this up ?

Hitler did not escape Berlin. He commited suicide on April 30th 1945.

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I'm also sure they chucked a couple of grenades into the pit

As i alluded to earlier, Otto Gunsche is the key to any conspiracy

He put the blankets over the bodies,  got them outside and burnt them

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Just now, Ally Bongo said:

I'm also sure they chucked a couple of grenades into the pit

As i alluded to earlier, Otto Gunsche is the key to any conspiracy

He put the blankets over the bodies,  got them outside and burnt them

Quite right Mr Bongo. And some excellent rebuttals as posted above too I might add. :ok:

I want to know who these "sources" are for Hitler's supposed incredible escape from the combined land and air forces of the Soviets and the Western Allies in 1945. Prepare for laughter.

It is of course utter bullshit. How on earth could anyone believe this crap ?

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On 23/11/2017 at 6:44 PM, Ormond said:

Is the tv show I’ve been binging on. It’s from the History channel and contains a squad of the World’s finest manhunters and war crimes specialists trying to piece together whether Hitler fled alive to Argentina instead of the suicide that we are told to believe. There’s some pretty fascinating stuff unearthed and certainly seems to blow a lot of ‘historic’ stuff out of the water. The Spaniards, Argies and the Vatican church don’t come out looking too good. 

In 2014 a huge backlog of FBI files were declassified and this seems to be what has prompted the show to set up their team of experts. From guys who have decades of CIA top level experience to war crimes investigators, journalists, US Marshalls and even US special forces who have been involved in the capture of Bin Laden. It’s pretty interesting viewing. 

Source? Failing that I'll translate ' some fantasists with an interest in WW2 that have managed to get someone with lots of money to finance their tour of the world', good luck to them. My expert sources have revealed to me that the 128 year old brain of Hitler is still viable, in fact it's quite keen on Morrisseys latest album.

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On 11/24/2017 at 12:48 AM, Ally Bongo said:

Started reading it

" ...the collected documents have been examined and analysed by a Dutch dentist (who likes to stay anonymous)... "

None of the information offered here constitutes "proof".

" ...for the first time in history, are published all together. These are rare documents from world’s darkest crypts... "

 

 

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17 minutes ago, phart said:

Started reading it

" ...the collected documents have been examined and analysed by a Dutch dentist (who likes to stay anonymous)... "

None of the information offered here constitutes "proof".

" ...for the first time in history, are published all together. These are rare documents from world’s darkest crypts... "

 

 

Unless the Russians release the only remaining remnants of Hitler's bones (doubtful they even have them) there will be no definitive proof

Documents and witness testimony is not enough for your conspiracy theorist

"Dutch Dentist Jan Van Der Heem confirms using modern methods that historic dental records from an autopsy are that of Hitler"

Cue Jan Van Der Heem's life becoming an absolute misery from all sorts of shit from conspiracy theorists and Neo Nazi's 

(i have made up Jan Van Der Heem)

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