Tartan Chris Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 17th November 2007, Hampden Park, Scotland 1 Italy 2. Remains the nearest Scotland have been to reaching a major tournament in over a decade. A reminder, a win and Scotland would've gone to euro 2008, no play offs in that qualifying section. Scotland: Gordon, Hutton, Weir, McManus, Naysmith, Brown (Miller 74), Fletcher, Hartley, Ferguson, McCulloch (Boyd 90), McFadden. Subs Not Used: McGregor, Alexander, Caldwell, Pearson, Robson. Booked: Naysmith, McCulloch. Goal: Ferguson 65. Italy: Buffon, Panucci, Cannavaro, Barzagli, Zambrotta, Camoranesi (Chiellini 83), Gattuso (De Rossi 87), Pirlo, Ambrosini, Di Natale (Iaquinta 68), Toni. Subs Not Used: Amelia, Oddo, Perrotta, Gilardino. Booked: Toni. Goals: Toni 2, Panucci 90. Att: 51,301 Ref: Manuel Enrique Mejuto Gonzalez (Spain) Looking at that I was always under the impression Kenny Miller had started. Probably confusing it with the 2005 game when he ran off Cannavaro and scored with a near post header. He was pretty good as a lone striker that campaign so error from McLeish to go with McFadden as lone striker that day particularly as he only became influential when he dropped deeper later on in the game. Everyone of course still remembers when he hit the side netting at 1-1. Of course some odd reffing that day. The winning goal and ridiculous free kick award everyone remembers, less so Barry Ferguson was a yard offside for the equaliser... Was a really good mix in that team and nice balance particularly in midfield. Hartley did a good job holding and McCulloch chipped in with some important goals in that period. Really emphasizes to me the 2010 and 2012 campaigns were squandered through poor managerial appointments as most of the squad were available for those campaigns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) McFadden had played lone striker in the two wins over France so I'm not sure if that influenced the decision. We certainly looked more of a threat when Miller came on though. Re the officials they were indeed terrible, just before the move that led to the winning goal I think Naysmith was clearly fouled and they gave an Italian throw. IIRC Italy had a perfectly good goal chalked off for offside in the 1st half mind you. Atmosphere was incredible that night, 5pm Saturday kick off saw to that, although it was too much for some. I recall walking past some casualties on the way to Hampden too pissed to make it despite holding tickets which were worth £100s by that stage. Didn't go into town after but apparently it was pretty tousy. Personally I was stone cold, the missus was a couple of days away from giving birth and I was a phone call away from bailing out of the stadium... Edited November 17, 2017 by Toepoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) The atmosphere in the 2nd half was brilliant. There was a fair bit of bother on the train home that night. Edited November 17, 2017 by scottincarlisle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scottincarlisle Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 You've got to admit it was a clear foul by Hutton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malcolm Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Terrible and corrupt reffing. How that free kick can be awarded to Italy is unimaginable. They must be incredibly bad now that not even fifa can help them to the World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 23 hours ago, Tartan Chris said: 17th November 2007, Hampden Park, Scotland 1 Italy 2. Remains the nearest Scotland have been to reaching a major tournament in over a decade. A reminder, a win and Scotland would've gone to euro 2008, no play offs in that qualifying section. Scotland: Gordon, Hutton, Weir, McManus, Naysmith, Brown (Miller 74), Fletcher, Hartley, Ferguson, McCulloch (Boyd 90), McFadden. Subs Not Used: McGregor, Alexander, Caldwell, Pearson, Robson. Booked: Naysmith, McCulloch. Goal: Ferguson 65. Italy: Buffon, Panucci, Cannavaro, Barzagli, Zambrotta, Camoranesi (Chiellini 83), Gattuso (De Rossi 87), Pirlo, Ambrosini, Di Natale (Iaquinta 68), Toni. Subs Not Used: Amelia, Oddo, Perrotta, Gilardino. Booked: Toni. Goals: Toni 2, Panucci 90. Att: 51,301 Ref: Manuel Enrique Mejuto Gonzalez (Spain) Looking at that I was always under the impression Kenny Miller had started. Probably confusing it with the 2005 game when he ran off Cannavaro and scored with a near post header. He was pretty good as a lone striker that campaign so error from McLeish to go with McFadden as lone striker that day particularly as he only became influential when he dropped deeper later on in the game. Everyone of course still remembers when he hit the side netting at 1-1. Of course some odd reffing that day. The winning goal and ridiculous free kick award everyone remembers, less so Barry Ferguson was a yard offside for the equaliser... Was a really good mix in that team and nice balance particularly in midfield. Hartley did a good job holding and McCulloch chipped in with some important goals in that period. Really emphasizes to me the 2010 and 2012 campaigns were squandered through poor managerial appointments as most of the squad were available for those campaigns. The team was playing really well at that point (Georgia away notwithstanding!). It was a good squad too but not so good that it was un-fuckupable. For that reason, for me, George Burley just pips Craig Levein to the title of worst Scotland manager in my lifetime - he took a team on the up and took them down; Levein kept them there. 6 hours ago, Malcolm said: Terrible and corrupt reffing. How that free kick can be awarded to Italy is unimaginable. They must be incredibly bad now that not even fifa can help them to the World Cup. It looks no better ten years on, does it? It really does makes you wonder about corruption. In the Italy v Sweden game the other night the referee managed to find 5 minutes of injury time from somewhere. Not that it did Italy any good, as it turned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rude Gullit Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 12 hours ago, scotlad said: The team was playing really well at that point (Georgia away notwithstanding!). It was a good squad too but not so good that it was un-fuckupable. For that reason, for me, George Burley just pips Craig Levein to the title of worst Scotland manager in my lifetime - he took a team on the up and took them down; Levein kept them there. It looks no better ten years on, does it? It really does makes you wonder about corruption. In the Italy v Sweden game the other night the referee managed to find 5 minutes of injury time from somewhere. Not that it did Italy any good, as it turned out. Levein was better than Burley. His win ratio (albeit boosted by friendly results), and the fact there was a crumb of organisation in his tactics are his plus points. In comparison, Burley was just utter, utter chaos and wild aspirations to play expansive football without having the managerial acumen to pull it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 30 minutes ago, Rude Gullit said: Levein was better than Burley. His win ratio (albeit boosted by friendly results), and the fact there was a crumb of organisation in his tactics are his plus points. In comparison, Burley was just utter, utter chaos and wild aspirations to play expansive football without having the managerial acumen to pull it off. They were both terrible but I would go for Levein as being the worst, superior win ratio or not. Did Burley start a game with no strikers? Or was he manager when we were the first team eliminated from the World Cup qualifiers? Does it really matter though? Arguing over which of those two was the worst Scotland manager is like arguing about whether you would prefer to eat dog shite or cat shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: Does it really matter though? Arguing over which of those two was the worst Scotland manager is like arguing about whether you would prefer to eat dog shite or cat shite. Except that this is a forum about the Scotland football team rather than about the culinary appeal of pet shit. You could always open a thread in Anything Goes ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: Except that this is a forum about the Scotland football team rather than about the culinary appeal of pet shit. You could always open a thread in Anything Goes ... You don’t understand what a metaphor is do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 8 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: You don’t understand what a metaphor is do you? Well, I understand metaphor well enough to know that you were using a simile. Anyroad, back on topic - Burley had the better dress sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 31 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: Except that this is a forum about the Scotland football team rather than about the culinary appeal of pet shit. You could always open a thread in Anything Goes ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: Well, I understand metaphor well enough to know that you were using a simile. Anyroad, back on topic - Burley had the better dress sense. You got me there. You’re just taking the piss now. Levein was always turned out in a suit and Burley wore training gear. Whose wife is better looking? That’s the most important question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Sadly the TAMB archive doesn't go back far enough to include the swooning threads that focused on his choice of neckwear ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 20 hours ago, scotlad said: The team was playing really well at that point (Georgia away notwithstanding!). It was a good squad too but not so good that it was un-fuckupable. For that reason, for me, George Burley just pips Craig Levein to the title of worst Scotland manager in my lifetime - he took a team on the up and took them down; Levein kept them there. It looks no better ten years on, does it? It really does makes you wonder about corruption. In the Italy v Sweden game the other night the referee managed to find 5 minutes of injury time from somewhere. Not that it did Italy any good, as it turned out. On 17 November 2017 at 6:48 PM, scottincarlisle said: You've got to admit it was a clear foul by Hutton So fcukin annoyed by that decision I sent an email, might even have been a letter to Fifa telling them the referee was corrupt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Texas Pete said: Whose wife is better looking? That’s the most important question. Luckily Michael Mols never has been nor is likely ever to be Scotland manager. Gives the others a shot at this prestigious title... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow jock Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) On 17/11/2017 at 6:12 PM, scottincarlisle said: The atmosphere in the 2nd half was brilliant. There was a fair bit of bother on the train home that night. Have always heard there was s fair bit of bother in town that night, can't say I witnessed any myself ? Also don't remember too many Italians at the game either Edited November 21, 2017 by glasgow jock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Is there a video of the whole game anywhere, not just highlights? I came away with the impression that the ref was bought, and not just from that free kick. I've never seen the game on TV however to check again. Didn't see any bother in town, but we went to a pretty empty Italian restaurant. Staff seemed a bit taken aback at first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 8 hours ago, glasgow jock said: Have always heard there was s fair bit of bother in town that night, can't say I witnessed any myself ? Also don't remember too many Italians at the game either 4 hours ago, Grim Jim said: Didn't see any bother in town, but we went to a pretty empty Italian restaurant. Staff seemed a bit taken aback at first! Apart from a bit of bother on the train there was a bit of fisty cuffs in the chippy near Central station. Then in the pub in the station there were a few Italians getting picked on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2007 was the best year of my life up to that point ( prob hasnt been bettered yet) and that game brought it all crashing back to normality... My first born came along in January, a great Scotland away trip ( Lithuania?) during my (delayed) Paternity leave.... Faddy's Goals , SNP winning in May. Ukraine at Home Paris game away in my Campervan The Italy game was electric , I remember the great play ending in Faddy missing a great chance to get our second...... I sat in the stadium for ages after the game , as did many others. It was the end of my best ever year.... Fitba Eh!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 11 hours ago, stocky said: Ukraine at Home That first 20 minutes in the sunshine was brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 19 hours ago, Grim Jim said: Is there a video of the whole game anywhere, not just highlights? I came away with the impression that the ref was bought, and not just from that free kick. I've never seen the game on TV however to check again. Didn't see any bother in town, but we went to a pretty empty Italian restaurant. Staff seemed a bit taken aback at first! He wasn't Anti-Scottish. Italy had a good goal disallowed in the first half. And Ferguson was ahead of the Italian defenders when the shot went in. Both were linesman errors of course but you could argue before the Hutton incident the decisions hurt Italy more than Scotland. It was petering out to 1-1 anyway. A draw wouldn't have been enough would it? Trying to remember what France had to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Tartan Chris said: It was petering out to 1-1 anyway. A draw wouldn't have been enough would it? Trying to remember what France had to do. If it was a draw we would've needed Ukraine to beat France IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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