Auld_Reekie Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 33 minutes ago, aaid said: I doubt she'd cross the floor and join the SNP but stranger things have happened. I've always thought she was equivocal on Indy, I doubt that its what gets her out of bed in the morning but I suspect she was at best a soft-No. Given the way things have gone post 2014, I wouldn't be surprised if she'd changed her mind - assuming that in the secrecy of the polling booth she didn't actually vote Yes. I also think she's a lot friendlier with Nicola Sturgeon than either lets on. I actually think she's a pretty genuine politician. When she came across as ridiculous or overly partisan, she did so because the role and position of Scottish Leader demanded her to be. It was difficult to reconcile her persona as Scottish Labour leader, the passionate and principled campaigner and the partner of the SNP MSP. Of them all, the least authentic was her as leader of Scottish Labour and having to fight Blair McDougall or Alan Roden's fight. And I think having been in that position, she's seen the absolute worst of what motivates the people with power in Scottish Labour. And being in a relationship with Jenny Gilruth and despite disagreeing on some high level constitutional politics, she must have questioned what she's doing in Scottish Labour. I'm not overly bothered if she comes round to supporting independence, but I think she'd be a breath of fresh air, and make a much greater difference as a minister in Nicola Sturgeon's government. You can't see how she's going to ever get same influence on Scottish politics trying to sort Scottish Labour out. I think she's realised this and chosen not to waste the best days of her life. While I disagree with her going on I'm a Celebrity, I can't really blame her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, sbcmfc said: I think you’ve misunderstood the point, are you not familiar with the show? I am and I didn't misunderstand the point which was that as a Lesbian, Kezia Dugdale will not be used to having male genitalia in her mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, aaid said: I am and I didn't misunderstand the point which was that as a Lesbian, Kezia Dugdale will not be used to having male genitalia in her mouth. Aye, you could take it that way. I took it as a dig about politicians talking bollocks, the joke would work regardless of her sexuality, and it’s not particularly derogatory regardless. Edited November 21, 2017 by sbcmfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 29 minutes ago, aaid said: I am and I didn't misunderstand the point which was that as a Lesbian, Kezia Dugdale will not be used to having male genitalia in her mouth. This. 14 minutes ago, sbcmfc said: it’s not particularly derogatory regardless. It's not particularly derogatory to use someone's sexuality in order to have a go at them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 On 18/11/2017 at 11:22 AM, weekevie04 said: Honestly think Kezia will leave Labour/politics at the next election and probably be a Yes if there's another referendum in the near future. Her tone, articles, Twitter and appearance on QT have been quite refreshing if he being honest and not as much SNPbad , but more fuck the Tories. Nah, she is an utter and absolute cnt, even Ruth Davidson is less of a cnt than her. Probably the worst leader that Labour have had, and by god that says a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I quite like Dugdale. Away from politics she seems a thoroughly decent woman. Can see this shine through when she's talking on issues where parties are less staunch in their stances. Good luck to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, Parklife said: It's not particularly derogatory to use someone's sexuality in order to have a go at them? As I said, I think you can remove her sexuality from the equation and the joke still stands up and could be used for any politician entering the jungle, in fact I presumed it had been recycled. I don’t see it as particularly derogatory or offensive, perhaps others do. 9 minutes ago, Parklife said: I quite like Dugdale. Away from politics she seems a thoroughly decent woman. Can see this shine through when she's talking on issues where parties are less staunch in their stances. Good luck to her. I’ve always thought she cane across as very petty politically, trying to score cheap points, and my immediate thought on her I’m a celebrity appearance was that she’d have been all over someone for doing what she’s doing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I think Kez will be finished with politics after this. I don't know what else she is qualified to do, but she clearly isn't cut out to be a politician. She will go the same way as Wendy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 51 minutes ago, Parklife said: I quite like Dugdale. Away from politics she seems a thoroughly decent woman. Can see this shine through when she's talking on issues where parties are less staunch in their stances. Good luck to her. Katie 🏴 @KatieKhaleesi FollowFollow @KatieKhaleesi Mor If you’re starting to feel bad for Kez, remind yourself she hired a vicious homophobe and all-round superprick like Alan Roden to publicly attack and smear people for her. Then get on with your day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 40 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Katie 🏴 @KatieKhaleesi FollowFollow @KatieKhaleesi Mor If you’re starting to feel bad for Kez, remind yourself she hired a vicious homophobe and all-round superprick like Alan Roden to publicly attack and smear people for her. Then get on with your day. Is that meant to illicit debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I've barely paid attention, so disregard my opinion as it's likely to be pish, however, my interpretation is she is a self-serving person, much more so than average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Orraloon said: She will go the same way as Wendy. Blast from the past! Anyone know what happened to her?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Toepoke said: Blast from the past! Anyone know what happened to her?... She wangled herself some cushy number in education circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, aaid said: Why do you feel the need to bring her sexuality into it? I felt no such need. It was purely a joke in reference to the kind of things they have to eat on the show, hence bollocks entering her mouth instead of leaving it. Perhaps not a very funny joke, that’s down to subjectivity, but one which could apply to a vast array of politicians should they decide to go on the show. In fact the entirely irrelevant and wholly private matter of her sexuality didn’t not once enter my mind until I read your post. Edited November 21, 2017 by DaveyDenoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, DaveyDenoon said: I felt no such need. It was purely a joke in reference to the kind of things they have to eat on the show, hence bollocks entering her mouth instead of leaving it. Perhaps not a very funny joke, that’s down to subjectivity, but one which could apply to a vast array of politicians should they decide to go on the show. In fact the entirely irrelevant and wholly private matter of her sexuality didn’t not once enter my mind until I read your post. There's a lot of princesses desperate to be offended these days, I find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 hours ago, DaveyDenoon said: In fact the entirely irrelevant and wholly private matter of her sexuality didn’t not once enter my mind until I read your post. Me too TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 hours ago, DaveyDenoon said: I felt no such need. It was purely a joke in reference to the kind of things they have to eat on the show, hence bollocks entering her mouth instead of leaving it. Perhaps not a very funny joke, that’s down to subjectivity, but one which could apply to a vast array of politicians should they decide to go on the show. In fact the entirely irrelevant and wholly private matter of her sexuality didn’t not once enter my mind until I read your post. If that were the case then I would have thought you would have said something like "it'll be a change for her to be eating rather than talking bollocks". I can't think of why you would use "bollocks entering her mouth" without intending it as a reference to fellatio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just to add my tuppence on the joke. Bollock-munching on I'm a Celebrity is the one aspect of the show that everyone is familiar with and, I assume, compulsory, whereas its role in a healthy heterosexual relationship is a rather more outré activity. TBH, if you think it's related to fellatio then someone's doing something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Thankfully nobody mentioned teabags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Flure said: There's a lot of princesses desperate to be offended these days, I find. From an expert in dummy spitting, like yourself, that’s quite the comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 11 hours ago, DaveyDenoon said: I felt no such need. It was purely a joke in reference to the kind of things they have to eat on the show, hence bollocks entering her mouth instead of leaving it. Perhaps not a very funny joke, that’s down to subjectivity, but one which could apply to a vast array of politicians should they decide to go on the show. In fact the entirely irrelevant and wholly private matter of her sexuality didn’t not once enter my mind until I read your post. I read it purely as a simple play on the word bollocks. Nothing more. 👍 Anyhoo, enough about Kez, am I the only person on the planet wondering why more has not been made about BJ’s ( Boris Johnson for the avoidance of doubt) dad being in it ? Or has there and I am not aware of it? I havent watched the show for a few years now. I cannot believe the father of a current cabinet minister is in something like this. Or am I being too easily offended ? ....😗 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 15 hours ago, Parklife said: Is that meant to illicit debate? That Katie Khaleesi isn't that clever. Her Twitter is painful at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 39 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: I read it purely as a simple play on the word bollocks. Nothing more. 👍 Anyhoo, enough about Kez, am I the only person on the planet wondering why more has not been made about BJ’s ( Boris Johnson for the avoidance of doubt) dad being in it ? Or has there and I am not aware of it? I havent watched the show for a few years now. I cannot believe the father of a current cabinet minister is in something like this. Or am I being too easily offended ? ....😗 Stanley Johnson is actually coming across relatively well so far from what I’ve seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Flure said: There's a lot of princesses desperate to be offended these days, I find. I hope that's not a reference to their sexuality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 9 hours ago, aaid said: If that were the case then I would have thought you would have said something like "it'll be a change for her to be eating rather than talking bollocks". I can't think of why you would use "bollocks entering her mouth" without intending it as a reference to fellatio. I think you might be over reacting to this one just a wee bit, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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