Dalgety Bay TA Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Would have been better with Capt Mark Phillips riding a f@@king horse up front tonight. Positives - liked the look of Christie, if only he could chuck a wee bit weight on! Quite lightweight. McGregor carried Celtic form into that game. Jack did better than expected at RB. Fraser looked lively when he came on. And that walloper Mackay won’t get the job. Tierney did well bar a couple of woeful long balls second half. But he is STILL wasted at CB. Look at his delivery in last month for Dembele goal at Pittodrie and Griffiths in Anderlecht. Robertson can’t do that. We are cutting off one of our biggest assets by playing him RB or CB. McLean holding beside McGinn very odd. And if you watch the replays of their goal he just watches both Depay and Promes steam past him and makes no attempt to try and track their run. Result, both waiting for a tap in. How he played 90 and Shinnie didn’t get game time I’ve no idea. Disappointed not to see one of Cooper or Hanlon get some minutes but thought Mulgrew did well second half. Forrest - I’m a Celtic fan but by god he has done nothing for us at international level, nothing. Time for someone else to get a run please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummie Hibs Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I thought McGregor was poor tonight - too many stray passes. I think McGinn deserved to get MOTM, but he should have done a lot better defending during their goal. Not making more subs around 60-70 mins was a wasted opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 McGreggor did ok but it was his sloppy pass that led to the goal. For me thats the problem with guys playing in the SPL. If McGreggor does that same pass in the SPL then it doesnt result in a goal. Do it in the EPL then it does. Only by playing with and against better players do you get better. Nothing against McGreggor but perhaps people are being slightly selective in their reviews based on the flavour of the month as opposed to the current villians of the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo2576 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Just now, Diamond Scot said: McGreggor did ok but it was his sloppy pass that led to the goal. For me thats the problem with guys playing in the SPL. If McGreggor does that same pass in the SPL then it doesnt result in a goal. Do it in the EPL then it does. Only by playing with and against better players do you get better. Nothing against McGreggor but perhaps people are being slightly selective in their reviews based on the flavour of the month as opposed to the current villians of the squad. So how do you justify Matt Phillips? He plays in the EPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said: McGreggor did ok but it was his sloppy pass that led to the goal. For me thats the problem with guys playing in the SPL. If McGreggor does that same pass in the SPL then it doesnt result in a goal. Do it in the EPL then it does. Only by playing with and against better players do you get better. Nothing against McGreggor but perhaps people are being slightly selective in their reviews based on the flavour of the month as opposed to the current villians of the squad. Have you seen the EPL recently? It really isnt worth the hype that it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said: McGreggor did ok but it was his sloppy pass that led to the goal. For me thats the problem with guys playing in the SPL. If McGreggor does that same pass in the SPL then it doesnt result in a goal. Do it in the EPL then it does. Only by playing with and against better players do you get better. Nothing against McGreggor but perhaps people are being slightly selective in their reviews based on the flavour of the month as opposed to the current villians of the squad. Yer baws! That pass was on the edge of their box, there's a whole pitch to negotiate after that. Fvckin idiot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 awful in front of goal as usual should have tucked a couple of those aww Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMcoolJ Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, adamntg said: McGregor was the stand-out for me. McLean looked out of his depth. McLean doesn't have a depth. He's terrible. How he started ahead of Shinnie is a total mystery. ETA. I thought McGinn was very good. Edited November 10, 2017 by SMcoolJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rude Gullit Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Bino's said: awful in front of goal as usual should have tucked a couple of those aww Hardly a surprise given we only had a striker on the pitch for 4 mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Dalgety Bay TA said: Would have been better with Capt Mark Phillips riding a f@@king horse up front tonight. Positives - liked the look of Christie, if only he could chuck a wee bit weight on! Quite lightweight. McGregor carried Celtic form into that game. Jack did better than expected at RB. Fraser looked lively when he came on. And that walloper Mackay won’t get the job. Tierney did well bar a couple of woeful long balls second half. But he is STILL wasted at CB. Look at his delivery in last month for Dembele goal at Pittodrie and Griffiths in Anderlecht. Robertson can’t do that. We are cutting off one of our biggest assets by playing him RB or CB. McLean holding beside McGinn very odd. And if you watch the replays of their goal he just watches both Depay and Promes steam past him and makes no attempt to try and track their run. Result, both waiting for a tap in. How he played 90 and Shinnie didn’t get game time I’ve no idea. Disappointed not to see one of Cooper or Hanlon get some minutes but thought Mulgrew did well second half. Forrest - I’m a Celtic fan but by god he has done nothing for us at international level, nothing. Time for someone else to get a run please. I agree with all of that, including the bit about Mark Phillips - his horse would probably have made a better attempt at heading the ball than Matt Phillips did for that chance at the end. For me it confirmed what I've felt about the team for a while - a decent midfield but short of quality up front and at the back. The fact that Mackay felt compelled to play Matt Phillips as a centre forward says something about our options in that position. Tierney could be much more effective for Scotland playing in the position he plays for Celtic if he had a Dembele to cross to. So, not a great game but the side held its own against good opposition. If whoever comes in can manage to address our deficiencies in defence and attack we could have the makings of a decent team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 10 hours ago, slasher said: Yer baws! That pass was on the edge of their box, there's a whole pitch to negotiate after that. Fvckin idiot! You do understand the concept of counter attack dont you? Cheap ball given away whilst players are commited. Good teams then break with pace and score as per last night . If you dont understand that then i cant help you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisEDI Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 christie and mcginn both look like they could be regular international players for years to come, mclean was pretty much as everyone expected (not international class), mcgregor was decent enough and i have to say i thought ryan jack did a good job at right back surprised shinnie never started instead of mclean or even got on, he deserves a cap. special mention for ryan frasers world class touch and tierneys cross field ball, fraser needs to work on his finishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, LewisEDI said: christie and mcginn both look like they could be regular international players for years to come, mclean was pretty much as everyone expected (not international class), mcgregor was decent enough and i have to say i thought ryan jack did a good job at right back surprised shinnie never started instead of mclean or even got on, he deserves a cap. special mention for ryan frasers world class touch and tierneys cross field ball, fraser needs to work on his finishing. to be fair, Fraser has just come on the pitch and probably would have scored had it happened 5 minutes later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 12 hours ago, Diamond Scot said: McGreggor did ok but it was his sloppy pass that led to the goal. For me thats the problem with guys playing in the SPL. If McGreggor does that same pass in the SPL then it doesnt result in a goal. Do it in the EPL then it does. Only by playing with and against better players do you get better. Nothing against McGreggor but perhaps people are being slightly selective in their reviews based on the flavour of the month as opposed to the current villians of the squad. McGregor shouldn't have been near the play at that point as we had an excellent attack going and only Phillips' inability to play a 2-yard pass to Forrest fked it up. The Dutch then still had a lot to do to get near our box. Maybe a bit unfair to blame McGregor. Just my opinion though. Players lose the ball all the time, a lot closer to our goal as well, and we don't always concede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 51 minutes ago, LewisEDI said: christie and mcginn both look like they could be regular international players for years to come, mclean was pretty much as everyone expected (not international class), mcgregor was decent enough and i have to say i thought ryan jack did a good job at right back surprised shinnie never started instead of mclean or even got on, he deserves a cap. special mention for ryan frasers world class touch and tierneys cross field ball, fraser needs to work on his finishing. We would've witnessed Goal of the Season had that been planted in the net. Really poor finish but an unbelievable first touch. Had Messi done that we'd never hear the end of it. I'd like to see Fraser get a regular start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davew Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 hour ago, daviebee said: McGregor shouldn't have been near the play at that point as we had an excellent attack going and only Phillips' inability to play a 2-yard pass to Forrest fked it up. Phillips completely fkd up a really promising move (reverse pass to Christie and he's one on one), then McGregor played a 50/50 ball to Jack which Jack didn't seem to either want or be expecting. Then the ball got played to Depay who McLean was marking. All McLean had to do was stay on his feet and not dive in, but instead he tried to do a weird sliding tackle and Depay just strolled past him. That meant McGinn got dragged out of position. At that point if McLean had tried to track Depay's run the goal could maybe have been prevented, but he just sort of jogged toward the near post. So definitely harsh to blame McGregor for the goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 2 hours ago, davew said: Phillips completely fkd up a really promising move (reverse pass to Christie and he's one on one), then McGregor played a 50/50 ball to Jack which Jack didn't seem to either want or be expecting. Then the ball got played to Depay who McLean was marking. All McLean had to do was stay on his feet and not dive in, but instead he tried to do a weird sliding tackle and Depay just strolled past him. That meant McGinn got dragged out of position. At that point if McLean had tried to track Depay's run the goal could maybe have been prevented, but he just sort of jogged toward the near post. So definitely harsh to blame McGregor for the goal. Im not laying the blame solely at McGreggors feet for the goal. Was just highlighting that ut was his very sloppy pass to Jack that gave the ball away that led to Holland counter attacking. Of course alot had still to be done at the point but it was the sloppy giving away of the ball that was ultimately punished. Similar to Englands 2nd goal when Armstrong gave it away. The point im making is that in the SPL when Armstrong and McGreggor give the ball away in similar situations then they arent punished and in turn they wont learn as much from their mistakes. I think both are good players but merely highlighting some of the issues with players playing at a lesser standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 4 hours ago, daviebee said: McGregor shouldn't have been near the play at that point as we had an excellent attack going and only Phillips' inability to play a 2-yard pass to Forrest fked it up. The Dutch then still had a lot to do to get near our box. Maybe a bit unfair to blame McGregor. Just my opinion though. Players lose the ball all the time, a lot closer to our goal as well, and we don't always concede. I said to my pals at the time that I thought Phillips being useless was the reason the attack really broke up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 18 hours ago, JECK said: Does he aye. Called it again, mind you it wasn't difficult He's admittedly not been great for Scotland but then again plenty of others have been rank as well. In terms of playing at a good level every week then he ticks that box. Personally wouldn't start him but he should certainly be in the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Midfield who give ball away very poor standard we aint going anywhere if thats our future - hopefully a new manager will pick better p[ayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bzzzz Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) On 11/9/2017 at 5:24 PM, Caledonian Craig said: We can all relax. It's been confirmed today by the SFA that Mackay is NOT in the running for the job full-time. Every cloud... Reasonably decent performance all in all, would have preferred to have seen Cummings starting or at least a striker. Phillips did his best but he's no a striker. Edited November 13, 2017 by Bzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 42 minutes ago, Bzzzz said: Every cloud... Reasonably decent performance all in all, would have preferred to have seen Cummings starting or at least a striker. Phillips did his best but he's no a football player. sorted that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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