exile Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 May is now suddenly fighting on four fronts - Brussels. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar. And fiendishly, these are all pulling in different directions, and it's difficult to see how she can have it all ways. This has a potential for a Great British Omnishambles, it's just the British media have not put 2 + 2 together yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Just now, exile said: May is now suddenly fighting on four fronts - Brussels. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar. And fiendishly, these are all pulling in different directions, and it's difficult to see how she can have it all ways. This has a potential for a Great British Omnishambles, it's just the British media have not put 2 + 2 together yet... That is not catchy enough. Great British Bust-up. Let's get it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, exile said: May is now suddenly fighting on four fronts - Brussels. Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar. And fiendishly, these are all pulling in different directions, and it's difficult to see how she can have it all ways. This has a potential for a Great British Omnishambles, it's just the British media have not put 2 + 2 together yet... That's not to mention the problems in England's NHS and prisons, either of which have the capability to completely blow up in the forthcoming months and the potential election expenses court cases. Outside or a World War I doubt any government has had as much to deal with and unlike a war, there's no sign of any sense of national unity. Their only saving grace is that the official opposition is in an even bigger mess. That's three "mistakes" in the last three weeks that this government has made, where they've had to completely backtrack or had to quickly move to reclarify their position. Although it's only the starting point of the process, the article 50 letter is hugely important and you would think they'd have made sure that there was nothing that could be open to misinterpretation. It really doesn't fill you with a huge amount of confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 43 minutes ago, aaid said: That's not to mention the problems in England's NHS and prisons, either of which have the capability to completely blow up in the forthcoming months and the potential election expenses court cases. She's not neglecting the day job is she? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, exile said: I've said it before but at the risk of repeating myself,I think the Yes side underestimated this and are in danger of underestimating it again. The attitude seems to be that Britishness can just be wished away as a vacuous artificial construct, or else, that anyone with the British sentiment must be a hardcore 'BritNat' who could never be won over. But I think on the contrary, trying to understand and accommodate this sentiment (within an independence settlement that has some sort of vision for residual Britishness) is one of the keys to winning people over (or at least neutralising active opposition). I think there's a parallel even with the EU. Though the EU as an institution is often unloved, a lot of people (on both sides of the Channel) feel sorrow at its fracture, the breaking of the ties, and the injury to what the EU at its best was about. By the way I am not myself getting sentimental about either of those unions, just saying people ought to be pragmatic about those who do. Britishness is part of our History and we should do something about it. I dislike and am emarressed about most thingsthe British Empire has ever done , i cant even support anything that is British It is however part of our history and a very strong part of a lot of peoples identity I think Sturgeon should be seen Supporting the Lions or similar.. ( a sort of Mandela wearing the Springbok jersey) Standing with some army guys, or Chris Hoy, or Andy Murray or something like that would help I would draw the line at her going on an Orange March ;-) , but the YES side need to add a wee bit of Britishness. It is part of our History .. Edited March 31, 2017 by stocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, stocky said: I think Sturgeon should be seen Supporting the Lions or similar.. ( a sort of Mandela wearing the Springbok jersey) Standing with some army guys, or Chris Hoy, or Andy Murray or something like that would help I would draw the line at her going on an Orange March ;-) , but the YES side need to add a wee bit of Britishness. Vividly put! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 17 minutes ago, stocky said: Britishness is part of our History and we should do something about it. I dislike and am emarressed about most thingsthe British Empire has ever done , i cant even support anything that is British It is however part of our history and a very strong part of a lot of peoples identity I think Sturgeon should be seen Supporting the Lions or similar.. ( a sort of Mandela wearing the Springbok jersey) Standing with some army guys, or Chris Hoy, or Andy Murray or something like that would help I would draw the line at her going on an Orange March ;-) , but the YES side need to add a wee bit of Britishness. It is part of our History .. Doesn't she already do a lot of that? A few photo ops aren't enough IMO. She needs to make speeches assuring people with an allegiance to Britain (not sure how to refer to them... 'Britnat' is a bit pejorative) that their identity won't just vanish on independence day, just as Scottish identity didn't in 1707. She did a bit of this immediately after the Brexit result when, in a speech, she imagined being a Britnat and waking up to find Scotland had voted for independence. She said the sense of loss she felt at the Brexit result would have been similar to how a staunch No voter would feel had Scotland voted differently in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 Conservative MP Suella Fernandes, shadow home secretary Diane Abbott, Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron, co-leader of the Green Party Jonathan Bartley, businesswoman and broadcaster Michelle Dewberry, and Gerard Coyne, the West Midlands secretary of the Unite union who is a candidate in the election for general secretary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 3 hours ago, exile said: Conservative MP Suella Fernandes, shadow home secretary Diane Abbott, Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron, co-leader of the Green Party Jonathan Bartley, businesswoman and broadcaster Michelle Dewberry, and Gerard Coyne, the West Midlands secretary of the Unite union who is a candidate in the election for general secretary. and with that I bid you good night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Anyone know who's on this tonight. Either way it's going to be even more testing on the blood pressure than normal. That's for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Marky said: Anyone know who's on this tonight. Either way it's going to be even more testing on the blood pressure than normal. That's for certain. Thursday ? Nothing on their twitter page yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Thursday ? Nothing on their twitter page yet Aye. Talking pish (as usual). Mixed not only my dates up but days as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Conveniently Jo Swinson reappears as she attempts to win back East Dunbartonshire Hilary Camilla Cavendish, Baroness Cavendish of Little Venice (born 20 August 1968) is a British journalist and former policy adviser to David Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 from Wigan. Conservative Brexit secretary David Davis Labour's shadow business secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey UKIP leader Paul Nuttall Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood CEO of Siemens UK Juergen Maier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Leanne Wood mentions Nicola Sturgeon and the Wigan audience boos Better Together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Leanne Wood mentions Nicola Sturgeon and the Wigan audience boos Better Together christ that audience was especially right wing racist ####erwits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Saw the panel / venue and voted with my remote... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 8 hours ago, giblet said: christ that audience was especially right wing racist ####erwits. It's was Wigan - absolute sh1tehole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnbruman Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I cant recall a single Wigan accent on the program and its quite recognisable. But that was frighteningly xenophobic last night. Amazed at the booing of Nicola Sturgeon ..just as well they never mentioned SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 It didnt last long Maybe they didnt mean it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 It's in Scotland tomorrow so i'm surprised Merryn Somerset Webb isnt on to rubbish an Independent Scotland's economy ..... oh wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 11 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: It's in Scotland tomorrow so i'm surprised Merryn Somerset Webb isnt on to rubbish an Independent Scotland's economy ..... oh wait I wonder if David Dimbleby will introduce Merryn Somerset Webb as a board member of Scotland in Union tonight which he seems to "forget" to do every other time she's been on. You can just imagine the introductions "David Hayman, well known actor and independence supporter and Merryn Somerset Webb, editor of MoneyWeek" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 22 minutes ago, aaid said: I wonder if David Dimbleby will introduce Merryn Somerset Webb as a board member of Scotland in Union tonight which he seems to "forget" to do every other time she's been on. You can just imagine the introductions "David Hayman, well known actor and independence supporter and Merryn Somerset Webb, editor of MoneyWeek" Have just tweeted her, bbcqt and Joanna Cherry to ask that question Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockodile Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Well done Ally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 6 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Have just tweeted her, bbcqt and Joanna Cherry to ask that question Thanks More chance of David Hayman asking it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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