Caledonian Craig Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 46 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: That would certainly be true of Phil Bardsley. I seem to remember you were rather keen on seeing him in a Scotland shirt and Allardyce is far more 'Scottish' than him. Not me. I wasn't one calling for his selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Sam Allardyce is several stone overweight, has a heart problem, drinks pints of wine and was distinctly average at playing football - of course he's f*cking Scottish! I wouldn't have minded him as manager either, not that he was ever a serious contender. For some strange reason I think he might have done quite well for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 58 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Not me. I wasn't one calling for his selection. Sorry - must've been confusing you with this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, DonnyTJS said: Sorry - must've been confusing you with this guy. You must do your homework more. That was three years ago. I suggest you try more up to date posts from a few weeks/months ago. You will find opinions change with time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 As I recall it people were bumping their gums as to why Bardsley was overlooked. My theory was that it was no loss and I am confident he has opted out of selection anyway. Why? Well we have not heard a peep from him about his non-selection anywhere. No complaints or nudge nudge 'Select me' comments which for me says a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said: You must do your homework more. That was three years ago. I suggest you try more up to date posts from a few weeks/months ago. You will find opinions change with time. The point is, Craig (and I'm not getting at you - it's a general point about nationality, international football, and the knots into which some people tie themselves) that it's not about quality - the discussion was about Allardyce after all. You were saying that Allardyce wasn't a suitable manager for Scotland as he's not Scottish. When someone helpfully pointed out that he arguably is, you whipped out the 'Elvis' analogy. This happens to be far more closely analogous to Bardsley than to Allardyce, so I pointed out that nationality hadn't bothered you a few years back when Bardsley was the best option for the national team, despite his Scottish credentials being based on his gran visiting Scotland on holiday and being so overwhelmed by the scenery, the haggis and the quaint local customs that she immediately went into labour and gave the world Phil's dad - an all-but-forgotten family anecdote until Phil's CV jogged his memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, DonnyTJS said: The point is, Craig (and I'm not getting at you - it's a general point about nationality, international football, and the knots into which some people tie themselves) that it's not about quality - the discussion was about Allardyce after all. You were saying that Allardyce wasn't a suitable manager for Scotland as he's not Scottish. When someone helpfully pointed out that he arguably is, you whipped out the 'Elvis' analogy. This happens to be far more closely analogous to Bardsley than to Allardyce, so I pointed out that nationality hadn't bothered you a few years back when Bardsley was the best option for the national team, despite his Scottish credentials being based on his gran visiting Scotland on holiday and being so overwhelmed by the scenery, the haggis and the quaint local customs that she immediately went into labour and gave the world Phil's dad - an all-but-forgotten family anecdote until Phil's CV jogged his memory. But you were misconstruing me. I am not ruling out Allardyce because he is not Scottish or even because he is English as I have commented many times before I do not think he is good enough - simple as that. Harry Redknapp yes I would certainly consider but not Sam. Edited January 31, 2018 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Ok. Looking back I see that I did indeed misconstrue your comment on Allardyce. Apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Cheers. There are English managers worthy of consideration and foreign managers but that is beyond the mindset of the SFA committee sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 hours ago, DonnyTJS said: Just saying ... Just saying....... that Bardsley has spent more time in Scotland than Allardyce? What's your point caller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Just saying....... that Bardsley has spent more time in Scotland than Allardyce? What's your point caller? I was just saying (needlessly as it turned out as I'd misunderstood CC's point in my rush to get in my Bardsley reference) that a closer analogy to Elvis's famed Scottish credentials, based on his brief stopover at Prestwick, was Phil's gran's inability to sprog on the appointed day. Given Fat Sam's Scottish family, I'd assume he's spent plenty of time over your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanmartin Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Cheers. There are English managers worthy of consideration and foreign managers but that is beyond the mindset of the SFA committee sadly. But you're now agreeing that McAllardyce is Scottish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Hmm born in England, brought up in England, chose to represent England, played his whole career and managed his whole career in England..Eh...no tartanmartin. Even if he were as Scottish as they come I wouldn't want him near the Scotland job as he is not good enough for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanmartin Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I also want him nowhere near the Scotland job but owing to all his family being Scottish I'm accepting of the fact that he also is. We've capped plenty players with lesser credentials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Hmm born in England, brought up in England, chose to represent England, played his whole career and managed his whole career in England..Eh...no tartanmartin. Even if he were as Scottish as they come I wouldn't want him near the Scotland job as he is not good enough for the job. Agree not good enough for the job and was sacked for corruption. No brainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandWintheWorldCup Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Feel i've been a bit harsh on scot gemmil, because i think he has the younger players develop even if his results so far with the u21's haven't been very good. Just would someone with experience, probably international experience. Feel it might all be too soon but good luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, tartanmartin said: I also want him nowhere near the Scotland job but owing to all his family being Scottish I'm accepting of the fact that he also is. We've capped plenty players with lesser credentials. Leave it out eh? Not sure what you are trying to prove? What part of this don't you understand:- Born in England Raised in England Played entirely in England Represented England Managed entirely in England Managed England And lived in England all of his life. He is English through and throufh and proud of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I walked into a bookies today. £50 on paul dickov. 100 /1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Leave it out eh? Not sure what you are trying to prove? What part of this don't you understand:- Born in England Raised in England Played entirely in England Represented England Managed entirely in England Managed England And lived in England all of his life. He is English through and throufh and proud of it. Thinks it's only fair that we wait for him to be mature enough to change his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab The Crab Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Graham Alexander, currently managing Scunthorpe is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Dickof will be involved in some level if not the manager. Ya heard it here 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanmartin Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Leave it out eh? Not sure what you are trying to prove? What part of this don't you understand:- Born in England Raised in England Played entirely in England Represented England Managed entirely in England Managed England And lived in England all of his life. He is English through and throufh and proud of it. Not trying to prove anything. Just stating facts. By the way, he played in three countries, never played for England ergo never represented them. I'm not trying to fall out here. Just pointing out that he's born to two Scottish parents which makes him Scottish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, tartanmartin said: Not trying to prove anything. Just stating facts. By the way, he played in three countries, never played for England ergo never represented them. I'm not trying to fall out here. Just pointing out that he's born to two Scottish parents which makes him Scottish. I would accept your argument if he were A. Born in Scotland B. Had any true affinity with Scotland in his life which quite clearly he hasn't. The fact is he has lived entirely in England and worked all of his life in England. If he had a semblance of Scottishness in him he would surely have had some connection physically with the country but he has not. Edited February 1, 2018 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Bra Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 BBC saying Gary Caldwell wants the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Alan Brazil wondering why Swally isn't in the running Please someone stop Brazil getting access to microphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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