irish Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, COLT NY said: Thanks pal! For what it's worth I wouldn't take either option as I think we have every chance of winning each of the next 4 games. The reason I asked the question is because there's so many Scotland fans talking down our chances, I was interested to see how deep their pessimism ran. Fair enough but I'm sure even as pessimistic as they are, they'd still rather take the see how it goes option which has potential qualification with it. At best Scotland will win 3 games and draw the other one (most likely Slovenia away) IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLT NY Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 Why do you think we can't win in Slovenia? Didn't your lot put them away quite comfortably in the last play offs? We could have had 4 or 5 on them at Hampden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Situation is very clear now, only 9 points will do. 7 won't be enough as Slovakia have Malta last up at home and isn't realistic to claw back the GD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveHFC Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Just need to win on Monday, Slovakia to lose to england and for us to beat Slovakia next month to be 2nd going into the last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Slovenia are not a high scoring team, they have only scored 6 goals so far. Come Monday night lads we will be 1 point behind Slovakia and we play them next at home, lets be positive. We go into the home game v Slovakia. That game is the exact definition of must win. The barring fluke dropped points for them v Malta, we will go into the last game needing to win and we can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Slovakia winning is hammer blow for Scotland imo. Any other result from that game would've been fine. Apart from Scotland needing to beat Slovakia at home, they're as well go for it against Slovenia and press them high up the pitch. Nothing to lose as Slovakia will beat Malta at home. Quality finish from Robertson tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLT NY Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 I'd have taken any other result first, but Slovakia winning may be no bad thing. Knowing that we have no option but to win the last two games makes the gameplan that much clearer. We have to just go out now and do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Great win tonight, still not thinking about 2nd place/playoffs etc ; but if we can somehow beat Malta, 1-0 will do and England beat Slovakia, it's a point between us with the Slovaks to come to Hampden. Mon Scotland! Let's not out do all that good work tonight by failing to beat Malta on Monday ; and England - this may well be the only game I want you to win, please don't feck this up either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 What happens if Slovakia win or draw against England, which is by no way out of the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironbrew Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, irish said: Slovakia winning is hammer blow for Scotland imo. Any other result from that game would've been fine. Apart from Scotland needing to beat Slovakia at home, they're as well go for it against Slovenia and press them high up the pitch. Nothing to lose as Slovakia will beat Malta at home. Quality finish from Robertson tonight. Unfortunately it looks like you`re right If we beat Malta and Slovakia we`ll still have to win in Slovenia. Asking a lot to have 2 big wins in 4 days. At least Slovenia will probably be out by time we play them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: What happens if Slovakia win or draw against England, which is by no way out of the question? Actually nothing if they draw other than changes their mental state really. A flukey win for Slovakia and then I think its all over unfortunately. Our objectives are the same, in fact I am trying to work out if the only not must win game for us is against Malta. I think if we end up on the same points, we would need to have beaten Slovakia by 4 goals. Allot of lessons here for the squad and manager, even if you lose do not lose big for the heads and heads and you really need to be up for every single game, you can only afford potentially one mistake MAYBE 2. Edited September 1, 2017 by romanticscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 How does this come into play with other second placed teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossman4 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: How does this come into play with other second placed teams? If we won all 3 and finished on 20 points I's be amazed if we didnt get a playoff with the remaining 14 points. Montegro still on 7 points with 3 to play. The Wales/ROI group could be interesting if they all continue to cut each others throatd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DoonTheSlope said: How does this come into play with other second placed teams? Slovakia are currently sitting 2nd place in the play off picture, with only 3 points between the first top 8 2nd place teams, if we imagine we were 2nd with our same point tally it puts us still in a healthy position of not being the 9th best 2nd place team. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)#Second_round Here also are the rules governing tie breakers to determine who would be on top. Points (3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss) Goal difference Goals scored Points in matches between tied teams Goal difference in matches between tied teams Goals scored in matches between tied teams Away goals scored in matches between tied teams (if the tie is only between two teams in home-and-away league format) Fair play points first yellow card: minus 1 point indirect red card (second yellow card): minus 3 points direct red card: minus 4 points yellow card and direct red card: minus 5 points Drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee Edited September 1, 2017 by romanticscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gusmac Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 its pretty unlikely we will finish second. bang a few more in against malta and we go in with a bit of momentum against slovakia and you never know.... but we havent show the consistency recently to string 4-5 results together. knowing us we'd tank the slovaks and f@%k it up against slovenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 5 or 6 results together(currently on 3, Monday will be 4) puts on the best run of form in about 20 years I think. And if we end on that form, I think I would be happy to keep Strachan, cue the assault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) I did some quick looking, EURO 96 running into France 98 qualification had us on a 7 match unbeaten run.Ended on a 2-1 loss away to Sweden. 9 1/2 months. Correction to my earlier post, we are on a 4 match unbeaten run, forgot the 1-1 draw v Canada. 17 points in 7 games. 18 June 1996 Villa Park, Birmingham (N) Switzerland 1–0 Euro 1996 Ally McCoist 34,926 [5] 31 August 1996 Ernst-Happel-Stadion, Vienna (A) Austria 0–0 World Cup qualification 29,500 [5] 5 October 1996 Stadionas Daugava, Riga (A) Latvia 2–0 World Cup qualification John Collins, Darren Jackson 9,500 [5] 10 November 1996 Ibrox Stadium, Glasgow (H) Sweden 1–0 World Cup qualification John McGinlay 46,738 [5] 11 February 1997 Stade Louis II, Monaco (N)[note 1] Estonia 0–0 World Cup qualification 3,766 [5] 29 March 1997 Rugby Park, Kilmarnock (H) Estonia 2–0 World Cup qualification Tom Boyd, Own goal 17,996 [5] 2 April 1997 Celtic Park, Glasgow (H) Austria 2–0 World Cup qualification Kevin Gallacher (2) 43,295 [5] Some other stats for you, Slovenia have never beaten us........we also have never beaten Slovakia. Edited September 1, 2017 by romanticscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Sure we had something like a 7 game unbeaten run under Mcleish in 2007 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Actually the GD could yet be retrievable....bit of a long shot but say a 4 nil win on Monday (I know but did score a few goals in Malta) and Slovaks lose by 3 at Wembley (not impossible as England keep plenty of clean sheets at Wembley) and it's level. Then beat them by 2-0 at Hampden and it's suddenly a +4 advantage going into the last game but you get the feeling they'd beat Malta by a few so still risky to play for a draw last game. Just shows you bar some bonkers scorelines 7 points isn't going to be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norsefox Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Tartan Chris said: Actually the GD could yet be retrievable....bit of a long shot but say a 4 nil win on Monday (I know but did score a few goals in Malta) and Slovaks lose by 3 at Wembley (not impossible as England keep plenty of clean sheets at Wembley) and it's level. Then beat them by 2-0 at Hampden and it's suddenly a +4 advantage going into the last game but you get the feeling they'd beat Malta by a few so still risky to play for a draw last game. Just shows you bar some bonkers scorelines 7 points isn't going to be enough. We need to treat GD as irrelevant now - unless we can get a 7+ goal swing AND Slovakia lose to england. We're on 11 points and Slovakia are on 15. Assuming we beat Malta and Slovakia don't beat England (as no one has done since 2000) we'll be on 14 points v Slovakia's 15 or 16. Given Slovakia's last game is v Malta, we have to beat them to overtake. Takes us to 17 v their 15/16. Sure we could draw against Slovenia and we'd both tie on 18, but we'd end up third (short of a huge swing in GD) and Slovakia would end up out as the worst placed second team. If we want to make the playoffs, we need to win all 3. Nothing else now matters Edited September 1, 2017 by norsefox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langtonian Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, ceudmilefailte said: What happens if Slovakia win or draw against England, which is by no way out of the question? If they beat england were as much as f.u.c.k.e.d,if they draw with them were not so much f.u.c.k e.d Edited September 1, 2017 by Langtonian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanSpice Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 10 hours ago, wanderer said: Its based on UEFA Co-efficient, which is not really the same as the FIFA World Rankings. We are pretty locked into our spot, so will be in division C. As said previously, at the moment it looks like this, Pot 1 – Slovenia, Romania, Denmark, Albania Pot 2 – Scotland Pot 3 – Serbia, Bulgaria, Norway, Cyprus Pot 4 – Lithuania, Finland, Belarus Compared to this a couple of months earlier, Pot 1 – Romania, Denmark, Greece, Slovenia Pot 2 – Scotland Pot 3 – Israel, Norway, Bulgaria, Cyprus Pot 4 – Lithuania, Estonia, Finland Is that based on this: https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/index.html ? If so, does that mean, based on that ranking of 23rd we'd be in League B, pot D, for the draw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 If Slovakia beat England (which they may well do) are we ####ed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Toffee Trafficker Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Talking about goal difference, I thought the last ten minutes of the match were so frustrating. The amount of times we had opportunities to go forward but instead played it back into defence was annoying. It seemed as if they were content with three but when we have a deficit of several goals behind Slovakia why were we not busting a gut to get more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doric Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 9 hours ago, SteveHFC said: Just need to win on Monday, Slovakia to lose to england and for us to beat Slovakia next month to be 2nd going into the last game. Or even England Slovakia draw doesn't affect things as long as Slovakia don't win on Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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