scottincarlisle Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 The Slovakia v Slovenia game could be an interesting result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 38 minutes ago, scottincarlisle said: The Slovakia v Slovenia game could be an interesting result. A draw in that game would be good but if we don't beat Lithuania it won't really matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Just now, Orraloon said: A draw in that game would be good but if we don't beat Lithuania it won't really matter. Mr Masher's post has got me looking at permutations. And that started getting me to build up my hopes again. If Slovakia and Slovenia draw then we could still get 2nd place even if we only draw in Lithuania (in fact even a defeat for us wouldn't be total disaster). We could still get 2nd place by winning our last 3 games. Although we would end up on only 18 (or 17) points which might not be enough for a play off spot. Of course we would want England to beat both the Slov teams. I wouldn't put it past them to throw one of those games just to spite us. Wouldn't be the first time. Come on lads. We can do this. A win in Lithuania puts us back in the driving seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doric Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 We can win last 4 games. Yesterday will be a huge confidence booster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wembley67lisbon Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 We would have to improve dramatically to get 3 wins let alone 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 29 minutes ago, wembley67lisbon said: We would have to improve dramatically to get 3 wins let alone 4. Aye, but getting 3 wins in a row is much more realistic than 4 wins in a row. And one of those games is Malta at home. So those 3 points are already as good as in the bag? Mibbee. So it's actually only two wins we need to worry about. Beat Slovakia at home. Then one of our best ever away results to beat Slovenia. Here we go, Here we Go, Here we go............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 1-0 Austria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, EddardStark said: 1-0 Austria. Is that good or bad? I haven't started looking at the other groups yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Is that good or bad? I haven't started looking at the other groups yet. 3 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Is that good or bad? I haven't started looking at the other groups yet. I would say good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Yes get your hopes up. I am sure this well end well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted June 11, 2017 Author Share Posted June 11, 2017 Cmon ireland. My 2nd team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, EddardStark said: I would say good. Aye, just had a quick look. Probably good. Although Austria could go on a good run and finish 2nd, so a draw might be OK too. Too early to say for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Aye, just had a quick look. Probably good. Although Austria could go on a good run and finish 2nd, so a draw might be OK too. Too early to say for sure. Right enough but its all about ensuring second place teams are not accumulating points. Like you said before I don't know why I am bothering. Its going to end in utter last minute agony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, thplinth said: Yes get your hopes up. I am sure this well end well. As with most things in life it will almost always end in despair. I'm just trying to postpone it for a wee while. A wee bit like death really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenmcn Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: If Slovakia and Slovenia draw then we could still get 2nd place even if we only draw in Lithuania (in fact even a defeat for us wouldn't be total disaster). That's the mentality the puts us in these situations. No ifs or buts, if we have any squeak of qualifying we must win all 4 games left, it's that simple. We started the qualifying with a "as long as we don't lose" mentality in the Lithuania game and it's probably the game that will kill us. If we'd won that game, we'd be 2 points off second place having played our 3 hardest games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Watching Ireland at moment and they're brutal. Route one however they'll likely qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, stevenmcn said: That's the mentality the puts us in these situations. No ifs or buts, if we have any squeak of qualifying we must win all 4 games left, it's that simple. We started the qualifying with a "as long as we don't lose" mentality in the Lithuania game and it's probably the game that will kill us. If we'd won that game, we'd be 2 points off second place having played our 3 hardest games. It's OK, I'm no the manager or one of the players. So, I'm not going to have much impact on the outcome of any of the games. I'm just looking for some rays of hope after our dismal start to the campaign. We have played both our games against the top seed. Slovenia and Slovakia have both still got to go to Wembley. We need England to win those two games. Our next game against Lithuania is one of those weird ones where it doesn't matter whether we win lose or draw, we would need still need to win our last 3 games anyway. There is minimal difference between a defeat or a draw for this one, so we might as well go all out for the win. Losing that game isn't much worse than drawing it. Getting 3 points from Lithuania could possibly be the difference between being the worst 2nd place team or not. Those 3 points could also be the difference between us needing a win or a draw in the last game away to Slovenia. So, what I'm saying is that we might as well go all out for the win because a defeat isn't much worse than a draw. No matter what happens in Lithuania we will still need to go for wins in the last 3 games. Edited June 11, 2017 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Hunt Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 57 minutes ago, Orraloon said: As with most things in life it will almost always end in despair. I'm just trying to postpone it for a wee while. A wee bit like death really. Love yer closing comment. Didnae half cheer me up??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Changed my mind about Serbia v Wales. Draw would be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 So if Slovakia beat Slovenia it'll be pretty uphill for us. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 3 hours ago, scottincarlisle said: So if Slovakia beat Slovenia it'll be pretty uphill for us. ?? Well, we would then have to win all 4 games and if England beat Slovakia we finish 2 points ahead of Slovakia. Piece of piss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStark Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) Group E or D are bankers for worst placed second team. Edited June 12, 2017 by EddardStark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 9 hours ago, EddardStark said: Group E or D are bankers for worst placed second team. Even if we finish 2nd on 17 points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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