London Bridge Incident

[Auchinyell Sox Change]

1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said:

You don't deny it ? This is the thing. I've given you umpteen chances to deny that you hold such views and you never take them. 

Ok then. Here's the million dollar question. Are you ready for it ?

As your so wound up about this what would you do to stop future attacks like that in London ?

What's your big foolproof plan ? Do you endorse girvanta's mind boggling idea of establishing a concentration camp for example ? What about forcing the Muslim population to observe curfews*, wear ID badges* or make public declarations of "loyalty"* ? Or just deport them all "back where they came from". 

Come on what's your big idea ? This should be really interesting. 

*Three genuine ideas that various fascist nutcases have come out with.

I didnt realize it was a pre requisite for contributing to this board to come up with a final solution for the current issues

i didnt try and deny any stuff id said earlier  ; you however conveniently cherry pick sentences to suit your agenda ; in many cases embelleshing things

British people seeking an anti government/ establishment agenda by seeing things from perspective of the terrorists i have an issue with

id tried to clue you in on 70s humour ;  but then you get all jimmy saville etc....

[Mitre]

1 hour ago, DonnyTJS said:

Whereas your big idea appears to be attempting to score points off some bloke on an internet message board ... You really do come across as a bit of a rocket, you know. Hope this helps ...

Absolutely. Checking folk's posting history ffs.

[Mitre]

1 hour ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said:

final solution for the current issues

Prepare to be branded a Nazi for your choice of vocabulary there...

[ParisInAKilt]

1 hour ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said:

British people seeking an anti government/ establishment agenda by seeing things from perspective of the terrorists i have an issue with

Well these types of attacks are a direct result of our governments foreign policy so there's valid questions to be asked. 

The Manchester bomber was known to the intelligence agencies, they knew his family, they knew he traveled to and from Libya, they knew he held extremist views. 

[ParisInAKilt]

The unsayable in Britain's general election campaign is this. The causes of the Manchester atrocity, in which 22 mostly young people were murdered by a jihadist, are being suppressed to protect the secrets of British foreign policy.

 

Critical questions - such as why the security service MI5 maintained terrorist "assets" in Manchester and why the government did not warn the public of the threat in their midst - remain unanswered, deflected by the promise of an internal "review".

 

The alleged suicide bomber, Salman Abedi, was part of an extremist group, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, that thrived in Manchester and was cultivated and used by MI5 for more than 20 years.

 

The LIFG is proscribed by Britain as a terrorist organisation which seeks a "hardline Islamic state" in Libya and "is part of the wider global Islamist extremist movement, as inspired by al-Qaida".

 

The "smoking gun" is that when Theresa May was Home Secretary, LIFG jihadists were allowed to travel unhindered across Europe and encouraged to engage in "battle": first to remove Mu'ammar Gadaffi in Libya, then to join al-Qaida affiliated groups in Syria.

 

Last year, the FBI reportedly placed Abedi on a "terrorist watch list" and warned MI5 that his group was looking for a "political target" in Britain. Why wasn't he apprehended and the network around him prevented from planning and executing the atrocity on 22 May?

 

These questions arise because of an FBI leak that demolished the "lone wolf" spin in the wake of the 22 May attack - thus, the panicky, uncharacteristic outrage directed at Washington from London and Donald Trump's apology.

 

The Manchester atrocity lifts the rock of British foreign policy to reveal its Faustian alliance with extreme Islam, especially the sect known as Wahhabism or Salafism, whose principal custodian and banker is the oil kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Britain's biggest weapons customer.

 

This imperial marriage reaches back to the Second World War and the early days of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. The aim of British policy was to stop pan-Arabism: Arab states developing a modern secularism, asserting their independence from the imperial west and controlling their resources. The creation of a rapacious Israel was meant to expedite this. Pan-Arabism has since been crushed; the goal now is division and conquest.

 

In 2011, according to Middle East Eye, the LIFG in Manchester were known as the "Manchester boys". Implacably opposed to Mu'ammar Gadaffi, they were considered high risk and a number were under Home Office control orders - house arrest - when anti-Gadaffi demonstrations broke out in Libya, a country forged from myriad tribal enmities.

 

Suddenly the control orders were lifted. "I was allowed to go, no questions asked," said one LIFG member. MI5 returned their passports and counter-terrorism police at Heathrow airport were told to let them board their flights.

 

The overthrow of Gaddafi, who controlled Africa's largest oil reserves, had been long been planned in Washington and London. According to French intelligence, the LIFG made several assassination attempts on Gadaffi in the 1990s - bank-rolled by British intelligence. In March 2011, France, Britain and the US seized the opportunity of a "humanitarian intervention" and attacked Libya. They were joined by Nato under cover of a UN resolution to "protect civilians".

 

Last September, a House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee inquiry concluded that then Prime Minister David Cameron had taken the country to war against Gaddafi on a series of "erroneous assumptions" and that the attack "had led to the rise of Islamic State in North Africa". The Commons committee quoted what it called Barack Obama's "pithy" description of Cameron's role in Libya as a "shit show".

 

In fact, Obama was a leading actor in the "shit show", urged on by his warmongering Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, and a media accusing Gaddafi of planning "genocide" against his own people. "We knew... that if we waited one more day," said Obama, "Benghazi, a city the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world."

 

The massacre story was fabricated by Salafist militias facing defeat by Libyan government forces. They told Reuters there would be "a real bloodbath, a massacre like we saw in Rwanda". The Commons committee reported, "The proposition that Mu'ammar Gaddafi would have ordered the massacre of civilians in Benghazi was not supported by the available evidence".

 

Britain, France and the United States effectively destroyed Libya as a modern state. According to its own records, Nato launched 9,700 "strike sorties", of which more than a third hit civilian targets. They included fragmentation bombs and missiles with uranium warheads. The cities of Misurata and Sirte were carpet-bombed. Unicef, the UN children's organisation, reported a high proportion of the children killed "were under the age of ten".

 

More than "giving rise" to Islamic State - ISIS had already taken root in the ruins of Iraq following the Blair and Bush invasion in 2003 - these ultimate medievalists now had all of north Africa as a base. The attack also triggered a stampede of refugees fleeing to Europe.

 

Cameron was celebrated in Tripoli as a "liberator", or imagined he was. The crowds cheering him included those  secretly supplied and trained by Britain's SAS and inspired by Islamic State, such as the "Manchester boys".

 

To the Americans and British, Gadaffi's true crime was his iconoclastic independence and his plan to abandon the petrodollar, a pillar of American imperial power. He had audaciously planned to underwrite a common African currency backed by gold, establish an all-Africa bank and promote economic union among poor countries with prized resources. Whether or not this would have happened, the very notion was intolerable to the US as it prepared to "enter" Africa and bribe African governments with military "partnerships".

 

The fallen dictator fled for his life. A Royal Air Force plane spotted his convoy, and in the rubble of Sirte, he was sodomised with a knife by a fanatic described in the news as "a rebel".

 

Having plundered Libya's $30 billion arsenal, the "rebels" advanced south, terrorising towns and villages. Crossing into sub-Saharan Mali, they destroyed that country's fragile stability. The ever-eager French sent planes and troops to their former colony "to fight al-Qaida", or the menace they had helped create.

 

On 14 October, 2011, President Obama announced he was sending special forces troops to Uganda to join the civil war there. In the next few months, US combat troops were sent to South Sudan, Congo and the Central African Republic. With Libya secured, an American invasion of the African continent was under way, largely unreported.

 

In London, one of the world's biggest arms fairs was staged by the British government.  The buzz in the stands was the "demonstration effect in Libya". The London Chamber of Commerce and Industry held a preview entitled "Middle East: A vast market for UK defence and security companies". The host was the Royal Bank of Scotland, a major investor in cluster bombs, which were used extensively against civilian targets in Libya. The blurb for the bank's arms party lauded the "unprecedented opportunities for UK defence and security companies."

 

Last month, Prime Minister Theresa May was in Saudi Arabia, selling more of the £3 billion worth of British arms which the Saudis have used against Yemen. Based in control rooms in Riyadh, British military advisers assist the Saudi bombing raids, which have killed more than 10,000 civilians. There are now clear signs of famine. A Yemeni child dies every 10 minutes from preventable disease, says Unicef.

 

The Manchester atrocity on 22 May was the product of such unrelenting state violence in faraway places, much of it British sponsored. The lives and names of the victims are almost never known to us.

 

This truth struggles to be heard, just as it struggled to be heard when the London Underground was bombed on July 7, 2005. Occasionally, a member of the public would break the silence, such as the east Londoner who walked in front of a CNN camera crew and reporter in mid-platitude. "Iraq!" he said. "We invaded Iraq. What did we expect? Go on, say it."

 

At a large media gathering I attended, many of the important guests uttered "Iraq" and "Blair" as a kind of catharsis for that which they dared not say professionally and publicly.

 

Yet, before he invaded Iraq, Blair was warned by the Joint Intelligence Committee that "the threat from al-Qaida will increase at the onset of any military action against Iraq... The worldwide threat from other Islamist terrorist groups and individuals will increase significantly".

 

Just as Blair brought home to Britain the violence of his and George W Bush's blood-soaked "shit show", so David Cameron, supported by Theresa May, compounded his crime in Libya and its horrific aftermath, including those killed and maimed in Manchester Arena on 22 May.

 

The spin is back, not surprisingly. Salman Abedi acted alone. He was a petty criminal, no more. The extensive network revealed last week by the American leak has vanished. But the questions have not.

 

Why was Abedi able to travel freely through Europe to Libya and back to Manchester only days before he committed his terrible crime? Was Theresa May told by MI5 that the FBI had tracked him as part of an Islamic cell planning to attack a "political target" in Britain?

 

In the current election campaign, the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has made a guarded reference to a "war on terror that has failed". As he knows, it was never a war on terror but a war of conquest and subjugation. Palestine. Afghanistan. Iraq. Libya. Syria. Iran is said to be next. Before there is another Manchester, who will have the courage to say that?

http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know

[DonnyTJS]

2 hours ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said:

 

British people seeking an anti government/ establishment agenda by seeing things from perspective of the terrorists i have an issue with

Thing is, I don't have a problem with 'British people' (or anyone else) criticizing the foreign policy of successive governments that has, in my view, brought us to Manchester and London Bridge. Seeing it from the perspective of the terrorists doesn't mean condoning their actions - but we need to understand why this is happening if we are to attempt to stop it.

51 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

[Pilger's piece]

 

There is much truth in there. As I was trying to point out to Ally a week or so ago, terrorism emanating from the Middle East has only been Islamist in nature since the '90s - prior to that it was fundamentally secular and political. Since the first Gulf War 'we' (sometimes us, sometimes America, sometimes both and others besides) have stationed troops in Islam's most holy territory, used Islamists to overthrow secular Arab dictators, and generally sought to interfere in a region that is increasingly swayed by an ideology that sees the west as anathema. The only 'big idea' that has a hope of working is to face up to this and try to find a government that's willing and able to extricate itself from the web of arms-and-oil-related entanglements in which we find ourselves - and stop being America's bloody lap dog.

Edited June 5, 2017 by DonnyTJS

[aaid]

3 hours ago, Auchinyell Sox Change said:

I didnt realize it was a pre requisite for contributing to this board to come up with a final solution for the current issues

That'll you getting accused of being anti-Semitic then. 

[vanderark14]

4 hours ago, DonnyTJS said:

Whereas your big idea appears to be attempting to score points off some bloke on an internet message board ... You really do come across as a bit of a rocket, you know. Hope this helps ...

Id say the rocket is the guy threatening him with a kicking, wouldn't you? There is absolutely no need for it. 

ET has strong views but its easy to see why he hold such the opinion he does on girvan or ASC, especially Girvan. 

[duncan II]

4 hours ago, DonnyTJS said:

Whereas your big idea appears to be attempting to score points off some bloke on an internet message board ... You really do come across as a bit of a rocket, you know. Hope this helps ...

I think that's harsh. Guy sticking up for his beliefs which, for the most part, are quite normal and decent.

[phart]

You can be right and still a rocket. I know this intimately

[duncan II]

3 minutes ago, phart said:

You can be right and still a rocket. I know this intimately

Aye, right enough. I personally have never been wrong but knowing this fact and making folk aware of it sometimes makes me come across rocket-like.

[DonnyTJS]

57 minutes ago, vanderark14 said:

Id say the rocket is the guy threatening him with a kicking, wouldn't you? There is absolutely no need for it. 

ET has strong views but its easy to see why he hold such the opinion he does on girvan or ASC, especially Girvan. 

 

51 minutes ago, duncan II said:

I think that's harsh. Guy sticking up for his beliefs which, for the most part, are quite normal and decent.

Fair enough, it probably was harsh, but I was referring specifically to the post I quoted which I did think was opening up new levels of rocketry and my sanctimony-tolerance threshold had been reached.

[DonnyTJS]

^^ Oh aye, as for Girvan - I blame Rossy & Slasher. If the adults can't behave on here then what chance the kids?

[Parklife]

1 hour ago, vanderark14 said:

Id say the rocket is the guy threatening him with a kicking, wouldn't you? There is absolutely no need for it. 

ET has strong views but its easy to see why he hold such the opinion he does on girvan or ASC, especially Girvan. 

Agreed on all points. Only an absolute roaster would try and threaten violence on someone that they don't know on an internet message board. I like ET on here, he says what he thinks and doesn't give a feck who he pisses off  

I don't know GirvanTA at all, so would be loathe to make as harsh a judgement as ET has. Although i do have recollections of thinking GirvanTA had posted some objectionable things in regards to minority faiths and races. It can be difficult to express yourself correctly on platforms such as this, so i'd give him the benefit of the doubt. 

[thplinth]

15 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said:

What a surprise the boards two most intolerant "white and proud of it" nutcases with their hatred for Muslim's and all "non-white british" foreigners in general pop up again to spout poison against their fellow human beings. 

 

14 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said:

Check the posting history of girvanta and Auchinyell Sox Change.

It's like taking a trip back to a BUF rally in the mid 1930s. 

Don't care if I get a suspension for this. It's the truth.

 

14 hours ago, girvanTA said:

Prove it with factual statements or apologize. A suspension will be the last thing you will care about if I ever meet you and that's the truth

Those are pretty heavy accusations you have made there and he did ask you to back it up or apologize. Referring to post history is not good enough considering what you posted. Quote him and prove it or he is quite right to kick your baws IMHO.

[McTeeko]

I'm no reading through all this guff so can someone please inform me what time the square-go is happening on saturday at the Counting House? Cheers 

[Ormond]

12 minutes ago, McTeeko said:

I'm no reading through all this guff so can someone please inform me what time the square-go is happening on saturday at the Counting House? Cheers 

I wouldn't say it'll be a square go. Girvan will probably nail him with no retaliation from Erzats. I mean, Girvan has clearly stated he is 6 foot 2. 

I wonder if he has eyes of blue also. 

[Guest BlueGaz]

7 minutes ago, Ormond said:

I wouldn't say it'll be a square go. Girvan will probably nail him with no retaliation from Erzats. I mean, Girvan has clearly stated he is 6 foot 2. 

I wonder if he has eyes of blue also. 

I did see him walk across a swimming pool once, so maybe. 

[Ormond]

3 minutes ago, BlueGaz said:

I did see him walk across a swimming pool once, so maybe. 

6 foot 2 and eyes of blue, big Girvan's coming after you. 

[thplinth]

This seems a little odd...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/05/six-people-missing-london-bridge-terror-attack/

[Auchinyell Sox Change]

7 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said:

Well these types of attacks are a direct result of our governments foreign policy so there's valid questions to be asked. 

The Manchester bomber was known to the intelligence agencies, they knew his family, they knew he traveled to and from Libya, they knew he held extremist views. 

Yeah i get that ; i was never a fan of US foreign policy / world police attitude and our subsequent involvement; but as i said earlier the genie is out the bottle and no way to reverse : we could also be blamed for a lot of problems in middle east if you want to go back far enough to how the Ottoman Empire was divvied up

problem is with the perp , am sure there are many like him; do we put them all under surveillance, or lock up for radical views, or introduce more stringent laws ( ill get accused of suggesting concentration camps for this....)

[Orraloon]

3 hours ago, BlueGaz said:

I did see him walk across a swimming pool once, so maybe. 

Was he wearing sandals and a long beard and turning the water into wine? 

[Guest BlueGaz]

Just now, Orraloon said:

Was he wearing sandals and a long beard and turning the water into wine? 

Not at that point, but en route I believe.  It was around mid April I think it happened.

[Orraloon]

2 hours ago, thplinth said:

This seems a little odd...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/05/six-people-missing-london-bridge-terror-attack/

Aye, weird as fuk that. How can folk just disappear into thin air?

[G-Man]

Sorry if this has been posted but I've skimmed the handbags at dawn posts so may have missed it in the melee.

 https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/05/breaking-jeremy-corbyn-joins-calls-theresa-may-resign-police-cuts-wake-serial-terror-attacks-video/