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1 hour ago, TDYER63 said:

Who is 'appalled'? I think the word is 'embarrassed'. As I said, I have no problem with people like her being outed and shown up for what she is but that is not the way to do it. She looked like she was thinking 'this guy is making a complete tit of himself' and he was. 

There is no doubt that this will be linked to independence. Most folk are entrenched in their view and will believe whatever side of her story that suits their agenda. Those still sitting on the fence are unlikely to be impressed with that stunt. 

I'm on the fence, and I think its embarrassing.

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7 hours ago, Orraloon said:

It must be quite puzzling times for Labour voters in Scotland. Corbyn was almost on the verge of achieving something quite remarkable and yet Kez and her pals would seem to prefer to have Teresa May as PM rather than Corbyn. It's mental. 

https://wingsoverscotland.com/

Now, I can understand them being very happy about Salmond losing his seat but not if it is going to help stop your own leader having a chance of winning. The folk in charge of Scottish Labour really are Tories in disguise.

It's almost like Scotland football supporters cheering on Slovakia to beat England when they know that that result would knock Scotland out of the competition. Nowt are queer as fowk.

To put it quite simply, if most of the seats that the Tories won in Scotland had gone to ANY other party but them then May could not have cobbled together her sleazy deal with the DUP and there is a real possibility that Corbyn would have been sitting in number 10 by now.

Dugface and her even stupider cronies were celebrating the very thing stopping their leader taking the reins.

To describe her as galactically stupid is to hugely understate her stupidity.

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11 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

I don't think she's stupid, well not based on this election, the sad fact is that the vast majority of Labour and Conservative politicians share the same views on most issues. 

That's a bold claim.  Got any evidence to back that up?

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It is clear to me that general election results and support for independence are two different things. People who vote SNP are hard core independence backers who vote for them as they are the only main party in Scotland to back independence. However, that does not guarantee them all independence backers votes. A number of them voted Labour as they considered more the Westminster picture. Remember that Corbyn did say a few days prior to the election he'd grant Scotland a second indyref so obviously that would have scooped up a fair few Scottish votes plus many abhor May and once Labour built up a bit of momentum that saw more people hopping aboard to vote Labour to remove May. I think the real hard core yoon voters were majority of Tory voters.

The only thing we can take as a guide to independence support is by the SNP vote share. They had 36.9% of the share of votes so that is the scale of the hard core independence backers. Almost 37% (minimum) that bothered to vote at this election backs independence.

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May is finished. The Tower has infernoed her. Her cold fishiness is now shining like a fresh mackerel. They will probably prop her up for a while fearing another Corbyn surge if they called yet another ba$tarding GE. Maybe try a a quick leadership switcheroo first wait a while and then go again but who would they go for as leader... I'd say Corbyn will be the next (edit: sorry that includes after May's replacement) PM at this point. Looks quietly unstoppable. 

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3 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said:

I don't think she's stupid, well not based on this election, the sad fact is that the vast majority of Labour and Conservative politicians share the same views on most issues. 

Aye, most of them hate Corbyn, especially the Scottish Labour politicians. 

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2 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said:

I should have specified most issues in Scotland, ie they oppose independence, which from abroad seems like what the election was based on in Scotland. 

So that's one issue - albeit a very important one.

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9 hours ago, Ally Bongo said:

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Imagine making the wee lad wear gallowses, whit's the world coming to?

 

14 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said:

I don't think she's stupid, well not based on this election, the sad fact is that the vast majority of Labour and Conservative politicians share the same views on most issues. 

Aye, most of them hate Corbyn, especially the Scottish Labour politicians. 

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28 minutes ago, Orraloon said:

 

Imagine making the wee lad wear gallowses, whit's the world coming to?

 

 

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15 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said:

It is clear to me that general election results and support for independence are two different things. People who vote SNP are hard core independence backers who vote for them as they are the only main party in Scotland to back independence. However, that does not guarantee them all independence backers votes. A number of them voted Labour as they considered more the Westminster picture. Remember that Corbyn did say a few days prior to the election he'd grant Scotland a second indyref so obviously that would have scooped up a fair few Scottish votes plus many abhor May and once Labour built up a bit of momentum that saw more people hopping aboard to vote Labour to remove May. I think the real hard core yoon voters were majority of Tory voters.

The only thing we can take as a guide to independence support is by the SNP vote share. They had 36.9% of the share of votes so that is the scale of the hard core independence backers. Almost 37% (minimum) that bothered to vote at this election backs independence.

Good post. It is not as clear cut as the MSM, Ruth, Dogdale and the "blinkered" would have us believe.

My 73 y.o Dad voted NO in referendum, but SNP last election. He really liked Wee Nick. He wants to remain in Europe. He said he couldn't vote for her again as she keeps bringing up Independence. I had to tell him that's what he voted for in the last election, it was in their manifesto for any material change. He didn't seem to get that this is the ultimate agenda of the SNP. I told him she is fighting for you, as you voted to stay in Europe but you didn't get to. You voted Labour all your life but England & Wales has once again decided what you are getting - a Tory Govt and out of Europe.

He voted SLAB this time around. Could not argue with this - he's in Dundee so wasted vote anyway. But he is now Anti Sturgeon and SNP because he reads the tabloid press mainly and was sort of gloating - "that's her finished now". After explaining SNP has "Won" the Scottish Election, still the major party in Scotland, and 3rd biggest in the UK, and that 35 seats were about the right level given the referendum 45/55, he was still vehement she was finished "You can throw all your numbers at me and Statistics - naebody wants this". 

So I had to say "So well you must be happy with all your voting then because you got everything you wanted? - a Tory Gov and now a NI DUP party, and you are out of Europe - can you not see why we need to be Independent?"

I think pensioners in particular just don't realise WTF is going on.

The 36.9% share make sense as hard core Indie Voters. This GE vote was skewed in my view buy 5 things

1. Hardened Brexit Voters - the 38% who do not want to be in Europe, but really want Indie (without Europe). So perhaps that is where Wee Nicky/SNP/us got it wrong by assuming that the 62% of Remain voters, wanted Independence but still to be in Europe.

Personally, I think this is where the greatest impact was.

2. Yoons - the 55% - any party but SNP.

3. The late Corbyn effect.

4. Tactical voting Libs/Dogdale supporting this.

5. The missing Youth vote.

It's coming, it will not go away. 

I am hoping Article 30 just sits their stagnant for the moment - and we come all guns blazing as time unfolds - saw FMQT on youtube from last Thursday - Davidson is becoming an over confident puppet. Dogdale was a joke.

 

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39 minutes ago, HUNTINGMcGREGOR said:

Good post. It is not as clear cut as the MSM, Ruth, Dogdale and the "blinkered" would have us believe.

My 73 y.o Dad voted NO in referendum, but SNP last election. He really liked Wee Nick. He wants to remain in Europe. He said he couldn't vote for her again as she keeps bringing up Independence. I had to tell him that's what he voted for in the last election, it was in their manifesto for any material change. He didn't seem to get that this is the ultimate agenda of the SNP. I told him she is fighting for you, as you voted to stay in Europe but you didn't get to. You voted Labour all your life but England & Wales has once again decided what you are getting - a Tory Govt and out of Europe.

He voted SLAB this time around. Could not argue with this - he's in Dundee so wasted vote anyway. But he is now Anti Sturgeon and SNP because he reads the tabloid press mainly and was sort of gloating - "that's her finished now". After explaining SNP has "Won" the Scottish Election, still the major party in Scotland, and 3rd biggest in the UK, and that 35 seats were about the right level given the referendum 45/55, he was still vehement she was finished "You can throw all your numbers at me and Statistics - naebody wants this". 

So I had to say "So well you must be happy with all your voting then because you got everything you wanted? - a Tory Gov and now a NI DUP party, and you are out of Europe - can you not see why we need to be Independent?"

I think pensioners in particular just don't realise WTF is going on.

The 36.9% share make sense as hard core Indie Voters. This GE vote was skewed in my view buy 5 things

1. Hardened Brexit Voters - the 38% who do not want to be in Europe, but really want Indie (without Europe). So perhaps that is where Wee Nicky/SNP/us got it wrong by assuming that the 62% of Remain voters, wanted Independence but still to be in Europe.

Personally, I think this is where the greatest impact was.

2. Yoons - the 55% - any party but SNP.

3. The late Corbyn effect.

4. Tactical voting Libs/Dogdale supporting this.

5. The missing Youth vote.

It's coming, it will not go away. 

I am hoping Article 30 just sits their stagnant for the moment - and we come all guns blazing as time unfolds - saw FMQT on youtube from last Thursday - Davidson is becoming an over confident puppet. Dogdale was a joke.

 

Point 1 is bang on,,, i dont think previous yes voters turned on the snp due to the snp banging on about indy more of the timing of it,in relation ot brexit, most previous yes/snp supporter i know state thatvtgey stull want indy but only after the dust settles 

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The main analysis has to be:  The SNP lost thousands of votes in almost every seat.  Where did they go?

Salmond lost 8000 votes.  Why?

Labour picked up an extra 3.  Not all will be Corbyn/Yes socialist affect.  Let's generously presume 2000 thought Salmond was safe enough and felt they could give Corbyn a vote.  Still leaves 6000 people deciding not to vote for him.

There's 6-10k people that were there and are no longer there for the SNP.  You have to ask why in each case.

There has to be a reason.

 

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1 minute ago, PapofGlencoe said:

The main analysis has to be:  The SNP lost thousands of votes in almost every seat.  Where did they go?

Salmond lost 8000 votes.  Why?

Labour picked up an extra 3.  Not all will be Corbyn/Yes socialist affect.  Let's generously presume 2000 thought Salmond was safe enough and felt they could give Corbyn a vote.  Still leaves 6000 people deciding not to vote for him.

There's 6-10k people that were there and are no longer there.  You have to ask why in each case.

There has to be a reason.

 

I did to try and help you on this one ;-)

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3 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said:

Let's generously presume 2000 thought Salmond was safe enough and felt they could give Corbyn a vote.  Still leaves 6000 people deciding not to vote for him.

There is at least one long-term member of this board who did exactly that.

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10 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said:

The main analysis has to be:  The SNP lost thousands of votes in almost every seat.  Where did they go?

Salmond lost 8000 votes.  Why?

Labour picked up an extra 3.  Not all will be Corbyn/Yes socialist affect.  Let's generously presume 2000 thought Salmond was safe enough and felt they could give Corbyn a vote.  Still leaves 6000 people deciding not to vote for him.

There's 6-10k people that were there and are no longer there for the SNP.  You have to ask why in each case.

There has to be a reason.

 

A lot of people voted out of protest against May. The SNP were not the vote for people to go to if they wanted rid of May (many thought). Remember the media (so influential over the way many vote) really stoked up the charge that Corbyn was making and many jumped ship from the SNP to vote Labour in order to upset May's cosy little Westminster set-up. Also a day or two before the election Corbyn was hinting he'd look at giving Scotland an indyref2 so no doubt that won him voters as well. Some staunch independence backers as well probably stayed at home as they realized this was a general election and not about independence and don't have a close enough affinity with the SNP to be motivated to vote for them.

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8 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said:

A lot of people voted out of protest against May. The SNP were not the vote for people to go to if they wanted rid of May (many thought). Remember the media (so influential over the way many vote) really stoked up the charge that Corbyn was making and many jumped ship from the SNP to vote Labour in order to upset May's cosy little Westminster set-up. Also a day or two before the election Corbyn was hinting he'd look at giving Scotland an indyref2 so no doubt that won him voters as well. Some staunch independence backers as well probably stayed at home as they realized this was a general election and not about independence and don't have a close enough affinity with the SNP to be motivated to vote for them.

He lost a third of his vote though.  Labour only put on 3k (which will have included many Unionist/Anti May people as well.   

 

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