hunchy Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I can see libdem doing well out of this. Those who voted to remain or have seen through the lies told by the leave mob and now want to stay will not vote Tory so it leaves them basically with he choice of a Labour party full of in fighting and splits, a green party who might get a few more votes or the lib Dems who seem the best of a bad bunch. One thing is clear is it will probably split the remain votes around several party's where as the leave votes will all stick firmly behind Tory. For all i don't want it i can see Tory's gaining seats across the board and pushing us even further down the road of dispair. On a side note I think if snp decided to stand in seats out with Scotland they could do surprisingly well as they are seen in some areas as being a credible opposition rather than the tame party labour have become Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 First up, the Tories will be squeezed from both sides. If they don't campaign on the basis of a hard brexit, UKIP will be right after them. If they campaign for a hard Brexit, the LibDems will squeeze them in a lot of the seats they lost two years ago. For all that he's a dick on social meeja, Wings is about right on this IMO. Second, how many no / leave voters from the last time round have popped off this mortal coil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Thirdly, this could be out of necessity if she's been warned that the CPS are going to prosecute 20 odd Tory MPs from the last election with election fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, biffer said: Thirdly, this could be out of necessity if she's been warned that the CPS are going to prosecute 20 odd Tory MPs from the last election with election fraud. Serious question: will those MPs be allowed to stand if they have pending prosecutions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_fadiator Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, biffer said: Thirdly, this could be out of necessity if she's been warned that the CPS are going to prosecute 20 odd Tory MPs from the last election with election fraud. It would've been great if the other parties voted against the election, denying them the 2/3 MPs requirement. It sadly won't happen, but there's clear grounds to await the decision of the Crown Prosecution Service on electoral fraud charges in Tory constituencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_fadiator Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Serious question: will those MPs be allowed to stand if they have pending prosecutions? The Tories may not want them to be selected as the candidate as they could be suspended if the prosecution is successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Thinking about this I'm more and more convinced this is about the MPs under investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 No I'd say this election was called for the simple reason is that the Tories know a Hard Brexit is on the cards. In short get an election in now rather than post-Brexit. Now Labour are in disarray and they hope rebellious unionist vote in Scotland will be enough to push them to a bigger majority. The other option is far less palatable to them. That is to wait until people see a Hard Brexit take hold which is certain to piss a lot of voters off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 29 minutes ago, biffer said: Thinking about this I'm more and more convinced this is about the MPs under investigation. Aye that does seem to be a bit of an elephant in the room... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Dont know about anyone else but earlier i was ready to sack Carlisle and move onto York ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 UKIP are a busted flush, the Tories will go far to the right in this election, they will soak up UKIP votes, the party is bankrupt and have lost their major backer. I think Labour will go close to going under 100 MP's and Lib Dems will come up to around the 50 mark with some tactical voting in some Tory marginals. Key point in this is SNP still end up 3rd biggest party, Angus Robertson has been very effective at pmq's , losing that would be a blow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Worryingly, apparently the Lib Dem leader has said in a report he'd go into coalition with the Tories. Not good to hear that should there be a hung parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 57 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Dont know about anyone else but earlier i was ready to sack Carlisle and move onto York ... You'd bottle it at Derby ya fanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 So... what will happen to the Council elections, seemingly set up as pro v anti indy skirmish? For the GE, a question is, will Labour and LibDem voters get distracted by the prospects of UK Westminster gains to vote for their own parties rather than prop up the Tories tactically against SNP in local seats? Surely UKIPPers will melt away massively under FPTP to boost the Tories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Doesn't look as though either of McGarry or Thomson will stand for re-election. Toni Giugliano has said he will apply to be the SNP's candidate for either Edinburgh West or Edinburgh South. Rosa Zambonini says she will apply to be the SNP candidate in Glasgow East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 45 minutes ago, killiefaetheferry said: You'd bottle it at Derby ya fanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Doesn't look as though either of McGarry or Thomson will stand for re-election. Toni Giugliano has said he will apply to be the SNP's candidate for either Edinburgh West or Edinburgh South. Rosa Zambonini says she will apply to be the SNP candidate in Glasgow East. So Toni macaroni will be looking for new staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Presumably turnout could be another factor. Seems a fair few people seem scunnered of elections, so who's going to be most/least motivated to vote? If the WM vote is a foregone conclusion it could weaken the resolve of Labour voters in particular? They have a less clear target to aim for, compared to the others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, exile said: Presumably turnout could be another factor. Seems a fair few people seem scunnered of elections, so who's going to be most/least motivated to vote? If the WM vote is a foregone conclusion it could weaken the resolve of Labour voters in particular? They have a less clear target to aim for, compared to the others... Another factor on how things go are how disenchanted Labour voters may vote. Do they abstain? Or do they vote for the party they hate the least as in Conservative or SNP. I suppose a lot will depend on whether or not they are for or against Brexit. Edited April 18, 2017 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 31 minutes ago, exile said: So... what will happen to the Council elections, seemingly set up as pro v anti indy skirmish? Hopefully they'll now be fought on local issues. One positive to come out of today's news. 17 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Toni Giugliano has said he will apply to be the SNP's candidate for either Edinburgh West or Edinburgh South. Rosa Zambonini says she will apply to be the SNP candidate in Glasgow East. Have they made the SNP an offer they can't refuse?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Maggie May doesn't wanna talk about it.... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/18/theresa-may-rules-out-participating-in-tv-debates-before-election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Maggie May doesn't wanna talk about it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Are these the interesting times we're supposed to be concerned about? Great isn't it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 28 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Maggie May doesn't wanna talk about it.... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/18/theresa-may-rules-out-participating-in-tv-debates-before-election Wow, thats ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Looking forward to seeing Labour plans for federalism to get their chance sooner than expected! Kez can dust off her idea for moving the House of Lords to Glasgow! And what better time for the Lib Dems to put PR back on the agenda, in case they get into coalition again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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